@Em0nM4stodon This is categorically false.

These discriminations you list arent created by individuals and groups that may benefit from these arent monoliths or necessarily actively perpetuating it.

This seems more like righteous finger pointing + posturing than a real analysis.

My take is that capitalists have taken advantage of these discriminations and everyone else ocassionally discriminates only BECAUSE cappies have already made it practical and beneficial to discriminate.

@atlas667 @Em0nM4stodon Say it with me now:

"Just because it's not your fault, doesn't mean fixing it isn't your responsibility."

"Privilege does not mean you never suffer. It means that, all other things being equal, a single difference provides an advantage."

The oppressed will always be less capable of overturning their oppressors than those outside the oppressed group. Therefore, even if it's not your fault, as someone with the privilege to be unencumbered by a given form of oppression, it is your responsibility to do more than the oppressed themselves.

@neatchee @Em0nM4stodon
Im critiquing the culture war vibes.

Sure, a sense of social responsibilities keeps societies functioning and makes them better.

My suggestion is organizing along class lines, as all of the things OP points out exist due to a lack of democracy. Voting for the cultivated candidates of capitalists is not democracy.

The working class is the largest and most diverse class. Our material necessities can coordinate into a single cohesive politic. Thats marxism

@GLaDTheresCake @neatchee @Em0nM4stodon Opression almost always has a material incentive behind it. We can eliminate the material incentive through sheer popular will like, say, delegate democracy, & then undo the cultural elements

The historic opression of minorities creates a pool of cheap labor & cultural phenomenon. Raise the people & then eliminate discrimination

But if you're talking about vague categories like whiteness then there may not be a way to grasp this. It's a categorical error

@atlas667 Just because you haven't read into what whiteness is and where it stems from and how the oppressions works doesn't mean there isn't any material to draw from.

In your very hard effort to be materialist in every analysis you create you ignore the fact that economy isn't the only material relationship that exists out there, and that not every single aspect of colonialist kyriarchy stems from an economic desire to oppress.

Oppression doesn't just stem from economy, there is material factors outside of economy that exist and are as tangibly real as economic oppression is. Regarding them as side effects outside of the scope of your analysis does nothing but wash your hands of the responsibility to actually tackle problems intersectionally.

@GLaDTheresCake I understand historical cultural phenomenon.

I do not put them aside, I base them. Because this is a weird subject that has been used to rhetorically put aside and often even negate that the main issue of workers is real political agency for a vague and personalized "more equal social standing", as if mass democracy would not acheive a realized version of that.

This is why I claim that these conversations have been framed in a totally politically inert way

@atlas667 The fact you speak of "workers" speaks volumes, no human value is derived from a capacity to labour.

There is no vague and personalised more equal social standing. There are structural forces—that are interconnected with but not dependent on colonialist modes of economic exploitation—that won't just disappear magically with more diffuse political power.

Majoritarian rule still marginalises those in weaker social positions, and bigotries and social norms don't suddenly vanish because you reformed the modes of capital production.

The fact of the matter is, leftist movements are materially rife with things like racism, sexism, ableism, transphobia and other oppressions. Even those that actively enact more diffuse economic power systems.

Trying to spin this as not a central issue is just being defensive over structural oppression you might be a part of and have to actively change. It's a lot easier to just larp and pretend the mythical "revolution" will magically fix it all in one fell swoop.