marcie (she/her)Bazzite just delivered over a petabyte of ISOs in a single month
James R KirkBazzite is great. I wish I’d tried it sooner. It is great for a “steam machine” or just as a very stable regular desktop.
anon5621For general user maybe but honestly I would prefer kinoite ,I don’t like bazzite replacing all their apps with gtk4 libadwaita while KDE written in qt apps looks much better that’s why I switched to kinoite
Kinoite is also great and usually what I recommend someone coming from Windows who wants a distro that “Just works”.
crunchyI spent a little bit deciding between Bazzite and Kinoite when I got my PC and ultimately went with Kinoite since I still have some work stuff to do every now and then. Not a single issue on my end so far.
Günther Unlustig 🍄Cool thing is you can rebase anytime to any other flavour you want with one command and keep everything that’s yours!
i like it too, but the ublue scripts are extremely handy so i hate leaving anything ublue
Can you explain more? What are ublue scripts and what makes them so handy? I’m still new to this space.
They just do nice simple little things that people want in the command line. Like a rollback helper for example
Very cool thanks for pointing them out, I will look into them.
What about steamOS for a steam machine that has all AMD hardware so Nvidia drivers will not be an issue.
I’m building an htpc that will never be used in desktop mode just couch gaming used by kids too. Still trying to decide which os to go with.
Just want to know what the downsides if any of installing SteamOS if I just want valve to handle it for me.
To my knowledge Bazzite is basically SteamOS with more flexibility under the hood if you’re looking for it. By default it boots right into big picture mode. I imagine if you get an HDMI-CEC dongle it would work great as an HTPC once you get Big Picture set up with the streaming apps.
Traffic cost must be insane. Hope they have good hosting and won’t be paying through the nose and go broke.
Should be manageable and it is probably less than you would imagine. Just checked real quick: the isos load from download.bazzite.gg, which is a Cloudflare IP. So they are either using it as CDN or even more likely use Cloudflares R2 storage for isos - which would mean they pay for storage (~15$/TB) and operations, but not for egress. This is seems ideal for few but huge files.
So for a single iso (~7 GB) they would pay 0,105$ for storage monthly and additionally 0,36$ per million of class B operations (reads/downloads). Of course they host more than one ISO, but for this example it would have been downloaded about ~150000 times to reach the petabyte.
So yeah, the ISO download is probably less of a problem. (Disclaimer: lot of assumptions, check in with a bazzite dev for clarity)
Doesn’t $0.36 times 150,000 downloads come out to 54 thousand dollars, which is a lot of money?
Sorry, my bad. 0,36$ per million class b operations. Of course there will be slightly more operations than downloads (e.g. people/bots sarting downloads and aborting them), but still probably cheap.
yeah i mean for every 1 active user we have 1250 requests to download here. lots of bots. i dont know if they count upgrade pulls (each version is essentially a full iso that gets pulled to your computer), but if so that means with each update we’ll see even more data draw from all the users upgrading.
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Noa HimesakaAlso keep in mind cached requests don’t count so it’d be cheaper.
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Aurora sitting down there at the bottom of the desktop OSs. I’d love to some of the Bazzite users migrate to Bluefin or Aurora.
If you’re not aware, switching between different Universal Blue OSs is super easy, with one caveat. Switching from a GNOME OS to a KDE OS or vice versa is problematic.
thingsiplayI’d love to some of the Bazzite users migrate to Bluefin or Aurora.
Why?
Switching from a GNOME OS to a KDE OS or vice versa is problematic.
I did that a few times already on different installs and never had any problems, besides the window decorations/ theming being off and needing to set them again. What issues could be expected?
On atomic systems like Bazzite and the universal blues, getting rid of the old files from the previous DE can be a huge hassle. On normal systems it’s a lot easier
The dotfiles between GNOME and KDE are the same, the base image doesn’t matter, if you try to switch DE’s on old distros you have the same problem.
Right. But cleaning up the old files left over from swapping your DE is much easier if you actually have read and write access to those files. When you swap DEs, it’s gonna leave shit behind whether you’re atomic or not. But atomic systems have more barriers to cleaning them up, to prevent the user from accidentally cleaning the wrong things.
This just isn’t true. There are tons of dependencies that are going to get left all over the place
It’s an image, there’s no such thing as “left all over the place”. Source: I’m one of the maintainers.
Of GNOME or KDE? Because both of them leave gunk in system files when removed
I’ve been using Pop OS and it’s been pretty good but I’m not super tied to it, would Bazzite be better at all?
SaneMartiganBazzite is good for gaming, do you game?
Why do people use PopOS? I genuinely don’t get it.
aehardingCosmic is subjectively the best DE out there. Popos 24 is scheduled for release in a week, it’s awesome.
It’s a Ubuntu fork so it’s easy to follow Ubuntu based guides. Starting with 24 they’re going to stay much more in sync with Ubuntu LTS.
Besides that, modern kernel, out of the box nvidia and disk encryption. Oh and pop is maintained by system76 that ships actual hardware (laptops and desktops) so it’s in their own best interest to have good modern hardware support. It’s a fantastic distro
يا ليتني كوري شمالي I am looking forward to GNU+Linux usage share numbers a year from now. I think it is very likely to pass 5%.
Can someone ELI5 why Bazzite is so popular? I’m a Linux longtimer (since 2006!) but never heard of Bazzite.
it comes with a lot of gaming presets. I believe Steam, GOG and Wine are preinstalled and preconfigured for the most compatibility.
onlookerImmutable distros are currently the flavor of the month and it’s basically just that. Bazzite is just a worse cachyOS. But because it’s immutable it’s the flavor of the month and therefore it’s the hype new thing.
Everyone loves the hype new thing. Even though in all realistic aspects, it’s more overly complicated. It’s more prone to causing issues for new users. It’s less proven.
There’s a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out and f****** over all these new users who are flocking to it because of rampant suggestions.
Is also the general issue of Fedora and its family being prone to breaking itself from early adoption of new ideas. People love to give Arch s*** but Fedora tends to be the one that actually implodes itself for low-skilled users.
Got to love flavor of the month
There’s a good argument to be made that the project might just end up imploding in a year or two and dying out
Could you make this argument?
It’s nonsense you can just use one command to swap from bazzite to kinoite if it does, it’s very easy and low effort to distro hop on fedora atomic based distros
And half of the project is mostly just automated package update pulls and compiling them into images
It’s the “just works” distro for people who want to play games.
I wish people stopped recommending Mint to Windows users
As someone who has gone from windows to mint, what is wrong with it? So far I have 0 issues and can run all the games I want. What am I missing out on?
It’s very stable, but outdated imo, especially its default desktop environnement.
Kinda makes linux look like a weird old windows clone, while other desktops can be very modern and way prettier than Windows
I like bazzite-kde because it’s similar to windows. Gnome bothered me - in particular not being able to set a blank desktop easily.
geneva_convenienceWhy is Mint wasting their spot as the recommendation for Windows users? Is it simply no longer developed or are the devs set in their ways of the UI having to look like Windows7?
Also it’s getting confusing with Zorin and Bazzite and even Aurora which is a Bazzite desktop spinoff as a recommendation.
I love cinnamon, now you kids get off my lawn
My Cheap, Cheerful, Chinese mini desktop is running the Fedora Cinnamon spin. Works great! And Cinnamon is the best Gnome experience in existence anymore.
Captain AggravatedCinnamon is the second of five attempts to defuckulate Gnome that I’m aware of, and my personal favorite.
It suffers from the same problem all Debian/Ubuntu family distros suffer from.
Being horribly out of date. It’s a very slow moving family of distros. Which can be a good thing if your work load doesn’t involve new hardware and software along with a focus on stability and reliability. Since if things don’t update they can’t break.
This can result in support for hardware and software being upwards of two to three YEARS out of date. Which for gamers for example is unacceptable and causes issues more often then not.
It’s the why fedora or arch based distros are generally speaking the better option to suggest to people. Depending on their level of intelligence, education and willingness to learn.
Bazzite and cachyOS for example are both fantastic for gamers.
Fedora or endeavour for your run of the mill office PC.
There is a serious argument to be made that the mass adoption of bazzite and the general flavor of the month affection for immutable distros is very likely going to cause issues for loads of users down the road.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
So bazzite being overly popular is somewhat concerning. Flavor of the month distros have a bad tendency to implode randomly.
If it implodes you can just rebase to kinoite with a single command without needing to backup anything
A big barrier to Linux adoption is lack of software, and immutable distros locking you out of the traditional package managers like APT or DNF or Pacman and limiting you to what is provided on Flatpak, I think might trip some folks.
Why? me and SO have been on mint only for a year now and love it.
Couple other pcs have popos which is OK but a bit buggy for me
Because of outdated packages and UI, same for Pop OS, at least before Cosmic