Jonathan RollansNov 23
I had hopes that #Threads would fully embrace #ActivityPub, but now it’s been quite a while since they made any improvements on that front and the things they have implemented feel like half-measures at best and segregation in other cases.
Show threadJonathan RollansNov 23

And don’t get me wrong, #Meta is an evil empire and that wants to drain humanity of anything they can in order to turn a profit. I just want to be able to follow my friends and for them to be able to follow me. I scared too many people away from #Mastodon because I introduced them to it too soon (it was around 2017).

#Threads #ActivityPub

Show threadLeander LindahlNov 23
@jrollans I find what you're saying interersting. I wish there'd be Mastodon groups, which is the primary use case for people being "left out" if they're not on Meta in my experience, both my own and what I've heard from others.
Show threadJonathan RollansNov 23
@leanderlindahl yeah, Groups certainly do seem to be the big thing keeping people stuck in corporate social media. There has been some amount of work in that area for Mastodon, but who knows if it’ll ever be released.
Show threadLeander LindahlNov 23

@jrollans people keep bringing it up and asking about it, but then it usually gets confused with the "mailing list" like fedigroups where you can subscribe to posts that include @groupname. Not really groups in my opinion.

There's rumours of a dormant branch of Mastodon that was abandoned and if it exists it's several years old.

Show threadJonathan RollansNov 23

@leanderlindahl I agree, those two features do get confused for each other often and the type of groups I think we need are more like the Meta style groups feature. The other version is basically pointless because we can already follow hashtags and build groups around those. Plus, a real group feature needs moderation features and the ability to control the flow of users who can join.

There is a branch of Mastodon that has such a thing, it’s actually been kept updated with the main branch.

Show threadLeander LindahlNov 23
@jrollans that would be a massive game changer to be able to have groups in a social context without predatory oligarchs. Then you'd be able to offer a credible alternative when you refuse to use fb in your local association.
Show threadNordnick 🌐

@leanderlindahl @jrollans

What kind of groups do you have in mind?

Something like #Guppe groups? (Currently no longer active, afair).

Or something with more features?

Nov 23 at 8:45pmWeb
Show threadLeander LindahlNov 24
@nick @jrollans isn't Guppe more or less the same as Fedigroups, like a mailing list? Groups would be a replacement for FB groups (morally objectional) and instead of Matrix rooms (too hard to onboard regular people). Or a like a private Slack channel..
Show threadJonathan RollansNov 24
@leanderlindahl @nick exactly!
Show threadLeander LindahlNov 24

@jrollans @nick I assume Mastodon groups will require more complexity than microblogging, but it could be an optional add-on for "ambitious servers".

The main feature/requirement for masto groups would be that they're discoverable and joinable via a regular mastodon account, because there's where it'd be a game changer.

Otherwise people can just use Matrix, Mattermost, Signal, Olvid, Ginlo... But that removes the discoverability and "joinability".

Show threadJonathan RollansNov 25
@leanderlindahl @nick it would definitely be way more useful if it was built in to Mastodon instead of some SSO with another platform. I’ll see if I can dig up that pull request that has the groups feature for Mastodon. It’s pretty much exactly what I would want from a feature like that.
Show threadLeander LindahlNov 25
@jrollans @nick 🦸
Show threadLeander LindahlNov 25
@jrollans @nick 💯
Show threadJonathan RollansNov 24
@nick @leanderlindahl definitely something more well-rounded and feature full the old Guppe groups were little more than a bit user that would boost everything to everyone who subscribed. A Lemmy style community would make more sense, but that’s a whole different platform. I’d like to see groups that people could use like Facebook marketplace and things like that. I personally don’t use it, but most of my friends won’t leave Facebook mainly because of the marketplaces.