TommyJohnsFishSpotFat people should have to buy 2 seats on an airplane
Really covering new ground with this one…
I feel like this is a fairly common opinion. Also, I believe they do have to after some point; not sure how the airline decides though?
It’s got to do with calculating the amount of fuel for the plane. More weight requires more fuel.
I mean, mass is a massive factor for flight.
If you ever fly on a small plane, they ask for your weight, and cap your luggage weight because it is a requirement to not crash.
No it isn’t. Not in large airplanes. The typical takeoff weight of an A320 is in the neighborhood of 50-70 tons. The pilots do not give a shit if a few passengers weigh a couple 100kg more than the average, and that’s a narrow body. A couple PAX being grosly obese on a widebody, with typical takeoff weights in excess of 100 tons, is even more negligible.
Fuel calculations and weight&balance is calculated based on assumed average weights for men, women and children.
You’re using actual reasoning, while dismissing my edit of corporate greed reasoning. You better believe, especially in capitalist USA, they’d just as soon charge you $10 a fart if they could…
I mean they literally DON’T charge you for extra cabin weight, or body weight, even if they could. Most airlines don’t even put weight limits on cabin luggage, only size limits. And even those that have weight limits, in my experience, very rarely enforce them. Generally, only size is enforced for hand luggage.
And they only charge overweight people double if they’re so large they physically block more than one seat, which imo is fine. If you need more than seat, it’s perfectly fine to expect you to pay for that extra seat. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with either excessive greed OR mass/fuel issues.
I won’t lie, I’ve never flown before in my life.
I only lived within walking distance of two airports, one of them an international airport, and the other lightweight airport flew their planes right over our house.
So I’ll pretend I don’t know anything if that makes you happy. Those of us on the ground learn the real rules when planes start crashing in your back yard…
Commercial jet liners are the safest mode of transport by a massive margin, and several orders of magnitude more safe than anything that is on a public road.
Don’t see you raging against buses or taxis here.
BananaIsABerryWhy do you write entire books as a response but can’t write the word passengers?
Go by a golden corral and you will definitely find people who don’t physically fit in 1 plane seat
Exactly.
And if you’re someone who has lost a lot of weight, and lived in the world of a fat person and an average-sized person, you know that very well.
ScottI’m tall and don’t fit in any seat other than an exit row. If there aren’t any exit rows should I be forced to pay for the seat in front of me?
KoboldCoterieI mean, look at it from the passenger in front’s perspective. They’re paying as much for their seat as everyone else presumably, and yet if you’re too tall to fit in your seat and your knees are pressed up against theirs for the whole flight, they’re having a considerably worse experience than everyone else. Should they have to pay as much as everyone else does, with that in mind?
I’m sorry you have to deal it but it’s not really a good argument. For one, the airline can still actually sell the seat in front of you.
If a person is so large they physically block 2 seats, then that’s an extra seat that can’t be occupied at all.
And ultimately, not every mode of transport can reasonably be accommodating to every single possible body type. I know that it sucks for people are stuck being an untypical body type and have to deal with nothing much fitting them, but what do you suggest the alternative should be ? Spacing seats out more just so the few very tall people can sit everywhere is going to increase ticket prices for everyone, even those who neither need nor want that extra space. It will also increase the number of flights required to move the same number of passengers, and therefore increase the fuel use per passenger and mile flown.
Oh look someone assuming the worst in the comment section. I don’t care how you got fat, if your rolls are spilling into my seat you should be paying for 2.
Yeah, because eating has no effect on how much you weigh. Piss off with that shit. If you eat 20k kcal a day, that’s a choice you make
A lot of airlines do
obesityaction.org/…/to-buy-or-not-to-buy-an-extra…
To Buy or Not to Buy: An Extra Seat - Obesity Action Coalition
by William Hignett and Ted Kyle, RPh, MBA Spring 2010 Southwest Airlines spends tens of millions of dollars on several television ads promoting the fact that bags fly free on their airline. A baggage handler yells in one advertisement, “Why pay up to $120 round-trip for bags?” That’s ridiculous to pay for baggage, Southwest’s WebRead Article
No.
Airlines should be regulated so the seats are larger and accommodate larger people.
And if you managed to fly before airlines were deregulated, then you know that this was once the norm and isn’t too much to ask.
You do know that tickets for those nice spacious old timey flights you’re dreaming of were upwards of thousands of dollars, adjusted for inflation, even for the cheapest seat on a domestic flight.
You’re just reinforcing my point here.
That’s why airlines need to be regulated. It should be illegal to draw a profit while giving zero value.
The value is being transported from point a to b. How anyone with a straight face can argue that low leg toom is an airline providing “zero value” is a fucking mystery to me.
And also, THEY ALREADY DON’T. The profit margins on the completely basic, zero extras or add ons econeomy seat are ALREADY close to 0 for most airlines. Negative for some.
The value is being transported from point a to b.
If you flew in the 80’s or 90’s, then you know how significantly de-regulation has affected the value of the product.
Frankly, you’re wrong, but you have a right to be. The problem here isn’t fat people, it’s rich people wanting to extract more money from passengers while offering nothing of value in return.
Have a great day.
CommunistLemmy is extremely anticapitalist and still disagrees with you, does that not give you pause?
Not at all.
Our culture hates fat people and thinks being fat is a moral failing. This doesn’t surprise me at all, and it likely hasn’t even crossed most people’s minds to blame billionaire capitalists instead of fat people.
You can’t just blame the boogeyman for all your problems
Nothing in this thread is about fatphobia. Literally nothing.
It’s simply about the fact that society can’t bend around every body type in existence. And yes, that sucks unbelievably much for people who ARE untypical bodytypes, and yes it’s enormously unfair but it’s more or less the best for a shit situation.
It’s unreasonable and impossible to expect everything in every circumstance, to be accommodating to every possible body type , at least not without having having a massive number of seats on every transport empty, because they’re reserved for people of unusual bodytypes, who are rare and therefore rarely use them. That would make prices higher for everyone, it would require more planes and busses an trains to be built and moved to accomodate the much lower number of effectively usable seats, which will lead to even higher costs, the networks will grid lock under the increased traffic, and the environment will suffer from all the extra airplanes that are now transporting far fewer pax per flight than before.
Right so, really the airlines should calculate the volume of a person and allocate a box of that size. When you get to your box, you have to fold yourself into it. If anything hangs out, maybe cut it off or just smash it in violently. Screw the bathrooms, just hold it or piss on yourself. Air conditioning and heating? Unnecessary. Think of the weight savings if the boxes were packed in like cargo. You wouldn’t need seatbelts. Maybe then those poor airlines that are barely eeking out a profit, might make money. We don’t need any amenities. I mean, did you get there?
Oh and if the airlines aren’t making money then that just proves that deregulation doesn’t work. They were the ones that lobbied for it.
You seem to be mad at someone for some reason.
But I can’t really deduce at whom or why, from your rambling.
But I can’t really deduce at whom or why, from your rambling.
Perhaps it’s less rambling and more your reading comprehension.
And did you also know that those old timey flights included check through baggage, actual food, rules regarding getting passengers to their destinations and a host of other amenities and important regulations that were thrown in the trash because we trusted corporations to NOT create a plane that requires you to stand up for an entire flight (an actual concept that was considered). And you know how when you search for a flight a few times, the price keeps going up? Conspicuously lacking back then along with paying extra for a seat with a window only to be told an actual window isn’t guaranteed. Yeah, there was no Internet, but it’s still true.
You can get pretty much all of things today. You just have to pay the same price you did back then, adjusted for inflation.
In the old days every single seat on airplane was basically economy/first class. There was no such thing as economy.
Passengers wanted cheese tickets, so the clas system was introduced to offer cheap economy seats, and now y’all complaining that the seats specifically invented to be as cheap as possible don’t offer the same amenities as the expensive ones.
I’m complaining yes but I never asked for this.
Again, you’re completely free in your choice to use economy classe. Business class and upper class ticket prices are in the same price range today (adj. for inflation) as the tickets of old times flights.
You’re literally complaining about an option, that is entirely optional, existing, and not being as good as the more expensive ones.
Yeah, I don’t believe you. I priced flying first class to Germany from Florida and it was $3000 one way. That’s not an option for me. I doubt seriously that air travel was that expensive. I did travel with my parents as a kid and I don’t think we spent an equivalent of $6000 per person for a round trip. That’s not something they would have done.
The airlines continuously take things away and then act like it’s such a great deal if they give one back as a perk. They can go fuck themselves and if you think it’s so great you can do the same.
US Europe Round trips in the 70’s/80’s would you run you between 500 and 1000$. That would be 2300-4000$ adjusted for inflation, and could be as expensive as 1000-1500$ (up to 6000$), so I don’t really care what you think, facts disagree with you.
(Also, round trip tickets are ALWAYS cheaper than two individual one way trips, so you can’t just double to price of a one way ticket to arrive at that of a roundtrip)
You can definitely get business class seats in that price range, and if you spend some time comparing prices, I’m sure you could find first class seats in a similar range. And be real, if you’re spending 3-4 thousand dollars JUST on the plane ticket, an extra couple hundred bucks won’t kill you.
And of course segregating classes is going to make upper classes more expensive. That’s the whole point. Instead of distributing the costs of the service and seats across EVERYONE, only those who actually choose to use them pay for them. They’re more expensive because the passengers who don’t want those amenities are no longer bein forced to subsidize them for those that do.
And for comparison, an economy class round trip would cost less than a 1000$ if you book a few months advance. That’s less than half the price injusted for inflation vs. the 70’s/80’s.
And finally, believe it or not, Economy class is barely, if at all profitable for airlines. They make most of their profit from service upgrades, higher classes, shipping cargo and, in the U.S., credit card rewards programs.
If you want planes to all have even just premium economy levels space, airlines would NEED to increase ticket prices by 20-30% just to stop from selling at a loss.
Well I guess you’re right. It’s great now!
People will always hate fats more than billionaires.
Scrubbles
CorkyskogI can draw the tangent. Airline industry executives cut costs to make more profits including decreasing seat sizes and increasing number of seats. If they cared less about profit and went back to sizes decades ago, almost no one would be uncomfortable. They go on to tell us it’s about fuel economy and the environment while they fly their private jets.
There are no profits to cut on Economy calls seats. You seem to have no clue how airlines actually make their profit. And it’s not from economy seats. Those are already sold by airlines for virtually no profit. They make their profits from baggage and service upgrades, higher classes like business, and in the US credit card reward programs.
Making economy seating more spacious WILL lead to higher costs for everyone, because ther is no mentionable margin on the current prices.
Also, cramped aircraft are good for the environment. I’d rather everyone have to be slightly uncomfortable for a few hours than needing to spend 3 times the aircraft and cause 3 times the pollution to transport the exact same number of people, but in more comfortable planes.
PencilnoobIf you’re thinking of this, consider that those who buy clothes in XS have to pay the same amount as the XXL size for that same shirt or pants. Despite the XS garment being a third as much material and stitching.
That only works for some clothing. Usually by the time you get to XL the arms or legs aren’t proportionately wider, only the body, so the sizing often doesn’t really work. If it’s numbered sizes, above the regular range there usually is a premium price for + sizes, same as for petite.
BodePlotHoleOnce you get above about XXXL, you typically have to pay significantly more to get a shirt that fits correctly in that size.
Not arguing, just food for thought…
Fat people shouldn’t have to pay extra on airplanes, the assholes who don’t check luggage should.
I’d argue if you take up two seats , you pay for two seats
Good lord yes. Time to start charging for anything other than the first small personal sized item and maybe a laptop. Even when they tell people the plane will be overloaded and that they can check their bag for free, people won’t. Our last flight was delayed by 30 mins trying to get the overhead luggage sorted. Really wanted to heave the assholes luggage onto the tarmac and leave it there.