peter KIRNOct 29

Open Steinberg: VST3 and ASIO SDKs now have open source licenses. And that's significant for free music and sound tools, plus a promised collaboration with OBS.

https://cdm.link/open-steinberg-vst3-and-asio/

Really curious what folks think of this and if it solves a problem for you. #opensource @OBSProject #vst #windows #linux

Show threadJef VerbeeckOct 29
@pkirn @OBSProject If this makes it possible to use my favourite VSTs in Linux, then this makes leaving OSX even more tempting!
Show threadPaulDavisTheFirstNov 3

@Jefverbeeck @pkirn @OBSProject it really has no impact on plugin availability for Linux

What impacts that is the willingness of plugin developers to build and distribute their plugins for Linux. Many (not all!) will not do so, even if they use a cross platform plugin toolkit like JUCE to create their plugins

You could get VST3 plugins for Linux already - from developers who build and distribute their plugins for that platform

I do not see this changing the minds of those who currently do not

Show threadpeter KIRNNov 3
@PaulDavisTheFirst @Jefverbeeck @OBSProject also correct me if I'm wrong, though, Paul -- while it doesn't impact *plug-in* availability, I think it does impact hosting? For instance, cross-platform environments like Pd or Godot Engine, I think, have hit this wall when they can't make use of the SDK.
Show threadPaulDavisTheFirstNov 3
@pkirn the VST3 SDK was already usable by GPL'ed projects. We've been using it in Ardour for several years.
Show threadDRMRNov 4
@PaulDavisTheFirst @pkirn I can't imagine why Godot would need VST plugins (there are better ways to do game audio), but for Pd there is the `vstplugin~` external that could use the GPL-ed sdk just fine as well.
Show threadpeter KIRNNov 4
@dreamer @PaulDavisTheFirst Right, and there's where I'm hazy. Maybe there is some case where MIT licensing opens up some specific distribution/packaging or modification use case (or, uh, something)... or maybe *not*, and this was just about convincing people to use VST 3 as opposed to licensing that allows them to abandon an SDK when it's deprecated, a la VST2.
Show threadPaulDavisTheFirstNov 4
@pkirn @dreamer MIT License is "open source" but it isn't copyleft ... you can use stuff licensed with MIT even if your code is not. Steinberg had released VST3 under the GPL before, which is great for those of us who use the GPL, but not useful to people who don't, and also don't want a commercial license.
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@PaulDavisTheFirst @dreamer Yeah, absolutely; I mean the one and only time we'd run into that was honestly libpd and Apple's copyleft ban (and just the kind of license incompatibility of a couple of externals that vanilla needed to address anyway).

This is where I'm scratching my head a little as to who was left in that intersection set of needing MIT over GPL. (it was GPLv3, right? or v2?)

Nov 4 at 2:58pmWeb
Show threadPaulDavisTheFirstNov 4
@pkirn @dreamer it used to be v3