I studied Artificial Intelligence for four years, and I am not touching LLM AIs with a ten-foot pole.

It's not really about the insane electricity demands, the water usage, tho that's a good reason. It's not even, if I'm honest, about the disastrous effect on the sum of all human art and knowledge.

It's because a) I've studied enough AI to know it's a trick, a sort of linguistic illusion, and b) I've studied enough everything else to understand that I'm not immune to such illusions.

@Tattie I often use this when trying to explain LLMs to people

#AI #LLM #OhNoWereGonnaNeedAnotherTimmy

@cjust I find myself agreeing with the latter comments and 100% disagreeing with the first. Both feeling bad for Tim the Pencil and thinking chat bots might be alive seem to me a sign of advanced empathic skills-- of being able to identify with something totally unlike ourselves.

I would hypothesise, in fact, that people without a sense of empathy would be very unlikely to believe a chatbot is human.

@cjust wait on second thoughts I'm not sure what the first comment was implying. It could be read both ways.
@Tattie @cjust I don't think it's implying that thinking a chatbot is human is a good or bad thing in terms of our human qualities. It's just stating the facts. If anything, it's implying that there are risks, but that's not the same as saying it's 100% bad - just something to be aware of.

@Tattie @cjust From my experience being around some (self-described but legit) highly empathic people, I think there's an element of wanting to believe. Instead of taking the "rational" step and attempting to interrogate the experience from a point of removal, they lean into it and that's when the feedback loops start to crank up.

There is something intensely seductive about how easy the interfaces make it look. Type in your prompt, and then watch as superficially awesome output scrolls up your screen. For a lot of people, that's as far as they get, because they don't really question the derivative nature of what they just saw, and how many sources were scraped only to be mangled in the sausage machine that is Grand Theft Autocorrect.

@phil_stevens @Tattie @cjust Let's face it - if we can't even muster enough scepticism to resist everyday advertising, we're going to be suckers for AI pseudo-persons.
@cjust @Tattie we're also really bad at defining at what consciousness is. We have no idea how our experience differs from others, let alone other "living" entities.
@cjust @ianturton @Tattie And LLMs *intentionally* use a whole range of linguistic tricks to promote this conflation, tricks that are not at all necessary to actually provide the requested information. (The most egregious form of this is Google’s Notebook ML, which will summarize an article by producing a fake podcast with two fake “hosts” who banter and whose speech has hesitations, breaths, and other feature completely irrelevant to conveying information, and are solely there to make your cognitive machinery implicitly think these are people.)

@michaelgemar @cjust @ianturton @Tattie You forgot the word "annoying" when describing the "podcast hosts"...

Anyway, the concept that an LLM thinks or it imitates human thinking mostly comes from marketing. For example, AI companies have decided to show LLM output in a chat-like interface because that increases adoption and trust, whether that's granted or not. There's a lot of literature on this, for example

Portraying Large Language Models as Machines, Tools, or Companions Affects What Mental Capacities Humans Attribute to Them
https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3706599.3719710

The effects of human-like social cues on social responses towards text-based conversational agents—a meta-analysis
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-05618-w

The benefits and dangers of anthropomorphic conversational agents
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2415898122

"When users cannot tell the difference between human interlocutors and AI systems, threats emerge of deception, manipulation, and disinformation at scale."

@michaelgemar @cjust @ianturton @Tattie I had never heard of this and it sounds like complete hell.

"This podcast could have been a 300 word article" turned on its head in the worst possible way

How to Use Notebook LM to Make a Podcast: Step-by-Step Guide

Wondering how to use Notebook LM for podcasting or content creation? Here's your expert guide on how to craft the best content with this AI tool.

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Jason Gorman (@[email protected])

What makes LLMs work isn't deep neural networks or attention mechanisms or vector databases or anything like that. What makes LLMs work is our tendency to see faces on toast.

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@cjust A chatbot can only "pass" the Turning test if the human beings involved have failed it.

@cjust @Tattie

I often snap a toddler in half to prove this same point.

@cjust @Tattie

& will pair-bond with literal rocks, given half a chance....

@cavyherd Portal made this point very cleverly, I thought.
Not even an actual cube, but a representation of a cube on a screen! 😂
@cjust

@cjust @Tattie I am reminded of an old IKEA advert... it uses the standard emotional manipulation techniques of an advert to make the audience feel sympathy for an inanimate object, and them immediately turns that around and mocks them for falling for such a cheap trick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqhIVyfsRg

Ikea "Lamp" Commercial - Hi Res

Directed by Spike Jonze (Being John Malcovich, Adaptation, countless Levis commercials)

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@Qybat @cjust @Tattie

I never really understood why I need to buy something just so I can throw away the old. I'm still using my 40+ year old desk lamp, it works just fine with a LED-bulb. I might have to change the button soon but at least it's an option, not like the new ones where if something breaks I have to throw the whole thing. For example the new LED desk lamp we bought 10 years ago has lost at least 50% of the brightness and there is no way of changing the LED.

@eq @cjust @Tattie Because if we don't have a way to artificially stimulate demand, the whole ponzi scheme that we call the economy will collapse.
@cjust @Tattie that's literally a bit from Community in like 2011.
@cjust @Tattie i would bust out laughing if somebody did this in front of me
@cjust @Tattie i am not immune to the ai hype though because i find myself often trying to suspiciously ask it questions to see how loose it is and what information its willing to give me and then getting stuck in an infinite cat and mouse game of interrogations from there
@Erato_Heti @Tattie @cjust i love asking my local LLM questions like that!!
@Erato_Heti @Tattie @cjust do you use LLM Studio?
@fiore @Tattie @cjust @revenant definitely 'ok the dorley concept has hands' moment of all time
@Erato_Heti @fiore @Tattie @cjust tsk tsk tsk,, next you'll be referencing Human Domestication Guide..
@revenant @Tattie @cjust @fiore i havent read any dorley im memeing
@Erato_Heti @Tattie @cjust @fiore i haven't finished reading it, don't think i will. <~<
@revenant @Tattie @cjust @fiore i remember reading snippets of it and being like 'this is just relatively tame smut idrc'
@cjust @Tattie this is where the real money in AI is going to come from.
Lonelyness and eroticism are going to be cashcows. Altman is already moving this way

@cjust
We will need a lot of Timmies…

(Or some wood glue.)

@Tattie

@dzwiedziu We're gonna need another Timmy
https://youtu.be/wsGnYuQwsOI
@cjust
Dinosaurs - We're Gonna Need Another Timmy

YouTube

@cjust @Tattie
what a monster

poor writing stick

@cjust @Tattie ooohh, thats good...
@cjust @Tattie I have a course about AI in 4 weeks with my students. I'll try the Tim pencil thing
@cjust @Tattie So true. Children start anthropomorphising at a really early age. We must be wired that way.

@anne_twain @Tattie Absolutely agreed - and also why I think we engage in pareidolia (like seeing a "face" on the surface of Mars) - we naturally extend this sort of behavior to the virtual realm - tend to see (or want to see) intelligence where there is only the presentation of the "next most likely correct token."

Of course - since I am a science fiction and fantasy fan - I also love discussion of the "Uncanny Valley"

I'm certain that there's probably ample room for pulling concepts from this discussion into allegories for LLM pitfalls and shortcomings.

@cjust
@Tattie I think the a.i. chatbots would be more convincing if they had googly eyes.

Still bullshit of course.

@minego you're reinventing Clippy here 😆
@cjust

@Tattie @minego

I have some good, or bad news for you. (Depending on your opinion of Clippy)

https://infosec.exchange/@cjust/115430586047075577

@cjust I'm just glad he's been unmasked
https://imgflip.com/i/9x2nyx
@minego
Copilot MrClippy

An image tagged scooby doo mask reveal

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@cjust @Tattie wait that's just a scene in Community
@cjust @Tattie @nfd I gasped in my head, that's a great example.