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Rafael Pérez ☀️Daylight Savings Time (DST) in the twenty-first century, yay or nay?
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Matthew Martin@rperezrosario It kills people.
7leaguebootdisk𓅽@mistersql @rperezrosario literally true. It would be better for people's health to stay on standard time year round.
@IcyPalm -> @@7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario I learned recently that it is technically true for the two days after the change but if you look at the week averages it has zero impact since the days after the two more impactful days see lower numbers than average.
And yes I'm looking for the source, couldn't find it that quick
EDIT: this might even not be true, can't find my original source and I see many scientists be angry at each other in papers.... I can't conclude that more people die or not.
David Scott Moyer
porkloin@7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario wouldn’t the same be true if we just stayed in DST permanently? I hear this a lot as an argument “for standard time” but it seems more like an argument against having a bi-annual time change, not an argument in favor of or against DST or ST
João Santos@porkloin @7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario while the bi-annual change causes the most harm, permanent DST would still not be as ideal as permanent ST (source: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2508293122)
Henrik Pauli@jmcs @porkloin @7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario I guess it really depends on the location — Iceland for example uses UTC all year round because in the summer it doesn't matter and in the winter they try to maximise sun exposure.
In a lot of places summer time makes sense in the way culture is now (nobody needs the sun to be up at 3:40 but everyone would be angry if it's down already at 20:00 (Budapest)) wouldn't suffer from summer time in winter either (more light after work/school)
Brendan Halpin@phl @jmcs @porkloin @7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario My rule of thumb is that the DST practice makes sense between approx 40N and 60N. Further south (incl much of the US) daylight-length difference is too small to justify it, further north, the difference is so big 1 hr doesn't do much.
Rejkjavík is about 64°N.
Shanie MyrsTear@7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario You know, or the other way. Could just stay on DST all year round. Works great, less depression for many who critically lack vitamin D in the winter, partly because they can't get outside when the sun is up.
@shanie @mistersql @rperezrosario it encourages not getting enough sleep, you can see it in how cancer rates change across a time zone. UPDATE that seems to be incorrect based on new research https://aacrjournals.org/cancerrescommun/article/4/2/328/734099/Longitudinal-Position-and-Cancer-Risk-in-the
@7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario I was about to say "the sun still stays down for the same amount of time (somewhere around 5:30PM-7:30AM), so they can gladly still sleep the same hours" but I'm glad to hear that it wasn't the case to begin with! Thank you for verifying!!
@shanie @mistersql @rperezrosario still, ending switching would be good. https://social.jsantos.eu/@jmcs/115485023626950146
João Santos (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] while the bi-annual change causes the most harm, permanent DST would still not be as ideal as permanent ST (source: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2508293122)
@shanie @mistersql @rperezrosario personally, I think we should all be on International Atomic Time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time no time zones, no leap seconds. Have a calendar standard for location specific solar time, so you can have a meeting at noon, or be woken 15 minutes before dawn for a run.
@shanie @7leaguebootdisk @mistersql @rperezrosario or split the difference. Move all clocks 1/2 hour and stop.
Walter Tross@mistersql
also the lack of daylight kills people (because of depression), see my answer to the OP.
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also the lack of daylight kills people (because of depression), see my answer to the OP.
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punIssuer@punissuer
Yeah, but also the times school, work, etc. start in the morning don't change, usually. We could change those twice a year, but that would be more complicated.
@mistersql @rperezrosario
Yeah, but also the times school, work, etc. start in the morning don't change, usually. We could change those twice a year, but that would be more complicated.
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@waltertross IMHO the problem is that we don't get enough sunlight because we work too damn long...
We had 250 years of explosive growth in productivity, and yet still for many, working 8 hours a day isn't enough to satisfy even basic needs.
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We had 250 years of explosive growth in productivity, and yet still for many, working 8 hours a day isn't enough to satisfy even basic needs.
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DB SchweinHonestly I like DST year round - becaues I love it when it's still light at 9:30pm, but I am 100% here for the same frickin' time zone year round.
Pino Carafa@deirdrebeth @rperezrosario Yeah, the "yay and nay" options weren't great. I would have gone for:
1. "keep the current system with the clock changing twice a year"
2. "abandon DST"
3. "adopt permanent DST"
4. "my opinion.... "
There are enough people who use "DST" to mean "the time change" no matter which direction its going that it's how I translated it 🙂
@deirdrebeth @rozeboosje My view as well.
Mykola K@rozeboosje @deirdrebeth @rperezrosario
Permanent DST most stupid decision. Just move working hours earlier, e.g. from 9 to 8 and solved.
Permanent DST most stupid decision. Just move working hours earlier, e.g. from 9 to 8 and solved.
@rozeboosje @deirdrebeth @rperezrosario
Extended explanation:
1. Invent DST
2. Move working hours 1 hour later to make it more comfortable (for works that doesn't have to be so early)
3. Make DST permanent? Instead of cancelling 2 previous wrong decisions, fix it with a crutch.
Extended explanation:
1. Invent DST
2. Move working hours 1 hour later to make it more comfortable (for works that doesn't have to be so early)
3. Make DST permanent? Instead of cancelling 2 previous wrong decisions, fix it with a crutch.
@mykolak @rozeboosje @rperezrosario
Changing my working hours doesn't make the sun go down at 9:30 so not sure what you're on about!
@deirdrebeth @rozeboosje @rperezrosario
If you have standard time all year around and start working an hour earlier you'll leave an hour earlier (e.g. 9:00-17:00 -> 8:00-16:00). So you wouldn't need Sun to set at 21:30, it'll set at 20:30, but amount of time you can spend for yourself is the same.
If you have standard time all year around and start working an hour earlier you'll leave an hour earlier (e.g. 9:00-17:00 -> 8:00-16:00). So you wouldn't need Sun to set at 21:30, it'll set at 20:30, but amount of time you can spend for yourself is the same.
@deirdrebeth @rozeboosje @rperezrosario
Was morning person, but due to circumstances (work) not anymore. And that's sad.
Was morning person, but due to circumstances (work) not anymore. And that's sad.
Alexandre Marcati@deirdrebeth @mykolak @rozeboosje @rperezrosario you realize changing working hours to an hour earlier or just changing the number on the clock to an hour later are actually the same thing, don't you?
@alemarcati @deirdrebeth @mykolak @rperezrosario of course but humans are odd creatures and we tend to live our days by the clock. I could just adopt my own, personal "time zone" and choose to live in UTC+1 or even UTC+2. But it would put me "out of sync" with the society I live in. So if the only option were to adopt a country wide "time zone" that everyone had to live by then, yes. I'd be in favour of enforcing UTC+1 permanently in Ireland.
Ignoring the fact that the majority of people aren't given the opportunity to change their work hours easily. If what you want is x hours of sunlight after work, your idea would fix it.
I naturally go to bed 3-5 hours after the sun goes down, in DST summer this works perfectly as the sun goes down around 9pm. In winter the sun goes down at 5:30pm and I'm exhausted by 9:30pm, yet not rested when I awaken at 5:30am. Work hours don't change that.
@deirdrebeth @rozeboosje @mykolak @rperezrosario I didn't mean a particular individual changing their own working hours. I meant a country deciding the official "working hours" for public services and businesses would be an hour earlier, which would effectively be the same as permanent DST without having to mess with the timezone (so clock would still be in sync to other countries in same timezone).
MegatronicThronBanks@rperezrosario It's an anachronism that can go away now.
@megatronicthronbanks That's exactly how I feel.
@rperezrosario I'm guessing that the "yay" answer implies keeping on going with the twice yearly clock change. Ugh. No. Make it stahp.
But "nay" sounds like it might imply a rejection of DST altogether.
No. I like DST. What I want is DST. All year round.
Colorblind Cowboy@rozeboosje @rperezrosario See. And I hate DST. The actual longer daylight hours are vexing to me (irrespective of the change).
Al Hatch, author@colorblindcowboy @rozeboosje @rperezrosario You don't get longer daylight hours, you just get them later, as I'm sure you know. I'm for DST all year.
ⓒonny M.🌺certified #solarpunk
MCDuncanLabNo time change, but noon is shifted by one hour like with DST always.
dontony@MCDuncanLab @rperezrosario noooo the sun should be at its highest at noon always. and we should be darkest at midnight. and make the world adjust to that.
make it equally as good (and as bad) for early risers as much as night owls.
Bruce HeerssenI voted no, but really I don't care if we have daylight saving time or standard time, but can we not have both? One or the other is fine, but let's stop alternating twice a year.
LeaEveryone wants to stop changing the clock twice a year but we can't resolve the argument about whether to go with Standard or Daylight time, because what's good for the country's northern states is bad for the southern ones and vice versa.
So can we please just split the difference between the ST and DT sides and simply move the clocks by only a half hour?
Then leave them there and end this nightmare?
Danny 
@leadore @rperezrosario In a global economy, changing the clocks by half an hour would make arranging international business calls even more complicated than they already are. We'd be out of sync with the vast majority of the world.
Comrade Weez@rperezrosario It's good in areas above 30° latitude. Useless nearer the equator as daylight hours don't change that much.
cognitively accessible math@rperezrosario NO you have to spell it right daylight saving time.
bjb 
If we stop using it we won't have to care how it is spelled : -)
Richard K 
@rperezrosario What I really want are more hours of daylight, regardless of whether they come early or late.
Michael Meckler@rperezrosario I would prefer going back to the time change dates used before 1987 (last Sunday of April to last Sunday in October). This reduces having children travel to school in the dark.
(Of course, now we have agitation to delay the start of school until after 9 a.m. And since we already have agitation to move the time zones, I would not be surprised if future generations end up amending the time again and again and again so that sunrise is at noon, school starts at 1 p.m. and ends at 8 p.m., the workday ends at 10 p.m., and the sun doesn't set in the summer until 4 a.m.)
B ThuronyiRanked choice votes:
1) Permanent DST
2) Abolish DST
distant 3) Change back only from December to February
Marty Fouts@rperezrosario To be clear, I answered “Nay” assuming it meant stop doing the twice yearly disruption.
@MartyFouts Your assumption is correct, it means precisely that.
Eric on here now too@rperezrosario only dst, not standard time
Matt Norby@rperezrosario I would like to get rid of time zones and DST entirely. Let's have one consistent time for the entire planet. Localities could set schedules around sunrise and sunset as they see fit.
Nicola Romanò@mnorby @rperezrosario That would be extremely confusing and won't solve much. Indeed imagine having to schedule a meeting with someone on the other side of the planet, you'd still have to calculate what are working hours there, so effectively you'd have even more complex and unstructured time zones.
Amin, minor deity of the legume realmHaving lived extensively in nations both with and without it—absolutely not, never. So annoying.
royal@amin @rperezrosario Pick one. I don't care which one.
Meaning you don't care if there are time changes or you don't care whether the permanent time is daylight or standard time? (because I'd agree with the latter)
@amin @rperezrosario The latter. Let's choose a time scheme and stick to it. Which scheme we choose matters little to me.
Perfect, I agree totally.
@rperezrosario congratulations folks, through 8 months of hard work we have succeeded - we saved the daylight! Now get some sleep, and please take better care of the daylight this winter so we don’t have to save it again next year