"#US ambassador to #Canada goes on expletive-laced tirade at #Ontario’s trade representative"

It's just so fucking embarrassing

Americans:

WILL YOU PLEASE FUCKING #VOTE

enough of your "BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" mindless lies and your "votes don't count anymore" premature spineless capitulation

get off your fucking asses and fucking vote, for the side that sucks, but is obviously better. it matters

incremental improvement works, toxic idealism means shit

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ambassador-hoekstra-rant-9.6957854

#PeteHoekstra

U.S. ambassador to Canada goes on expletive-laced tirade at Ontario’s trade representative, witnesses say | CBC News

The U.S. ambassador to Canada delivered an expletive-laced tirade at Ontario's trade representative at an event in Ottawa on Monday, multiple witnesses tell CBC News

CBC

@benroyce Ahh yes, "Diplomacy"

"#US ambassador to #Canada goes on expletive-laced tirade at #Ontario’s trade representative"

@ShredderFeeder

my country is going rapidly down the toilet

partly because of #MAGA #fascist #bigots

and partly because of these cringe weak "but i want perfect" #nonvoters

yes, the #USA sucked before: that's a silly observation when you realize how much worse it can suck

you get better or worse in this life. that's all you will ever, ever, EVER get

perfect isn't on the menu. never will be

#vote you dumb motherfuckers

#politics

@benroyce @ShredderFeeder

Asking for people to be better than the least of two evils is before voting for them is hardly demanding perfection. People need a system that allows them to vote for who they want not just who they don't want least.

@the5thColumnist Wow, that sounds like people who regularly sit out municipal elections, where people you want are rarely if ever on the ballot. Those rare times you do find someone you want invariably end in disappointment because they *never* live up to your expectations. You vote for the least worst option anyway, otherwise you are letting a shockingly small number of people do it for you.

Choosing not to vote is a de facto vote.

@benroyce @ShredderFeeder

@dnkboston @the5thColumnist @benroyce @ShredderFeeder

"none of the above" should be an option on every ballot, and if None wins, the election must be held again, without the rejected candidates.

hell, even I'd vote.

@roblosricos @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

Yes I too like to go on social media and proclaim how things should be, then not do a fucking thing to make it happen, even the easiest fucking thing

@benroyce @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

once again, for the people not paying attention -

i just spent 3 weeks at the ICE detention center, 24/7, being gassed and harassed, while you sat on your lazy ass at home.

i didn't get enough to eat most of that time.

i did this to stand up to fascists. as i have done my entire life.

@roblosricos @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

If you voted, you fucking moron, you wouldn't have to do that

Unfollow me at least, a block is preferable

@benroyce @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

fuck yourself, you order-giving fascist wannabe.

@roblosricos @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

Oh yeah, I'm a fascist because I want you to vote 🤣

@benroyce @dnkboston @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

no, you're a fascist because the US has been a fascist state since 1946, and you've voted to keep it that way your whole life.

@roblosricos Right! Because every vote for the least worst candidate was an endorsement of imperialism, fascism, and excess.

Please list out every vote all of us should have taken since 1990 that would have satisfied your conditions. "Staying at home" is not an option.

@benroyce @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

@roblosricos @[email protected] @ShredderFeeder @dnkboston @the5thColumnist

Votes for Obama were votes for the summary executions of US citizens without trial. Votes for Obama were votes for bailing out bankers while people lost their homes. Votes for Obama were votes for letting torturers go free and for a massive expansion of the surveillance state and deportations.

Votes for Biden were votes for a massive expansion of the carceral state that Trump is deploying against Americans. Votes for Biden were votes for letting Trump walk free after attempting a coup. Votes for Biden were votes for ending all of the pandemic-era protections that gave people a brief and temporary hope that things could actually get better in American society.

Trump and Trumpism are not the product of a single bad vote. Fascism in America has been built by bipartisan consensus, year after year, decade after decade.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6618048

Biden says 'welcome home' as Trumps arrive at White House

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump and his wife, Melania Trump, were greeted by U.S. President Joe Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, at the White House on inauguration day.

CBC

@HeavenlyPossum

Right. So tell me what would have happened if I *hadn't* voted for Biden, Obama, and Clinton. Should I have stayed home and not voted for anyone? Should I have voted for Stein or Nader? Would that have made the country a better place?

Let's pretend everyone who voted Dem those years took an alternate path. Do you think everyone who voted for Bush I, Bob Dole, Romney, McCain, Romney, or Trump would have followed suit?

@roblosricos @ShredderFeeder @the5thColumnist

@the5thColumnist @roblosricos @dnkboston @ShredderFeeder

You’d be in the same exact spot you are now, having voted for all those people, because voting and elections are orthogonal to the US political system.

We know this because you *did* vote that way, and here we are.

@HeavenlyPossum I think all of the people who could access reproductive healthcare between 1993 and 2022 would vehemently disagree. We would have gotten to this spot a lot more quickly.

@the5thColumnist @roblosricos @ShredderFeeder

@roblosricos @the5thColumnist @dnkboston @ShredderFeeder

Millions more people voted for Clinton in 2016 than Trump and Trump became president anyway.

Millions more people voted for Biden in 2020 than Trump and Trump still managed to abolish Roe.

Obama and Biden could have pursued the codification of Roe into statute when they held the presidency and Democrats held a majority in the House and a supermajority in the senate—which Obama promised during his 2008 campaign—but didn’t.

Orthogonal.

You seem to think this is a recommendation that Democrats and only Democrats stop voting because Democratic candidates are imperfect. I am instead simply noting that the US political system produced fascist outcomes regardless of how you voted, or even how large majorities voted.

@HeavenlyPossum

1. You've focused on the imperfections of Democratic candidates, and haven't said one word about their GOP alternatives.

2. Please spare the room your "simple notes" about what's wrong if you don't have any meaningful recommendations other than "burn it all down".

3. You're a troll even Ben doesn't seem to want to engage with, and he is much more patient than I am.

Goodbye.

@roblosricos @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

@roblosricos @ShredderFeeder @the5thColumnist @dnkboston

1. I pointed out that fascism is a bipartisan project that has been steadily constructed by both parties for decades, and didn’t suddenly appear ex nihilo. This was in response to your suggestion that the critique is about “imperfections” on the part of Democratic candidates.

2. You have already voted your way into fascism. You’re not going to figure your way out of fascism if you continue to confuse voting with meaningful or substantive action—if you can’t even figure out why your country is suddenly ruled by fascists who have in their possession an imperial presidency and a massive apparatus of coercion, repression, and surveillance.

3. Ben Royce is Blue MAGA trash and if he has your endorsement, then you probably are too.

@HeavenlyPossum

God, I hope you're twelve, because that's the only acceptable reason you would think people who advocate for participating in the electoral system wouldn't also advocate for all other activities.

Ben is NOT "Blue MAGA trash", but I'm very happy to be put into the same boat that he's in, so thanks for that.

@roblosricos @ShredderFeeder @the5thColumnist

@dnkboston @HeavenlyPossum @roblosricos @the5thColumnist @ShredderFeeder

A system that requires winning every single election in order to avoid fascism (and then still does a bunch of fascism anyway in the name of "unity" and "bipartisanship" and "winning the middle") is a fascist system. These are not "the imperfections of Democratic candidates", these are the built-in conclusions of a governmental system built by wealthy white supremacist patriarchs to maintain their own power against increasing popular calls for actual liberty and equality. And, historically, liberalism (including conservatism, obviously) has always preferred throwing in with fascism rather than actually embracing positive progress, because liberalism is more ideologically compatible with fascism than it is with anticapitalist progressivism, and because the people targeted for extermination by fascism are already the people who liberal capitalism treated like shit anyway (see: French poilce and politicians during the Nazi occupation who turned over their own citizens to the Nazi extermination machine)

Maybe those "meaningful recommendations" are more worth considering than you seem to think. It would genuinely be easier to completely start over than to try to reform the system into something resembling a land of liberty and justice for all. There is vanishingly little left of value in the current system thanks to the people who've run it for the past few decades.