Mastodawn

flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)

Well, where?

https://feddit.uk/post/38812721

Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ Oct 31

Hell doesn’t change, but which is Heaven now? “There are more editors in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” vim is the old stand-by, and is still a king among editors, but now we have Helix, Kakoune, and even a resurgence of interest in ed and edline. You can’t swing a teddy bear without hitting a new editor, half of them written in Rust, the rest in a grab bag of Go, zig, V, or Nim. And that’s just the TUIs.

Hell… Hell is for hell… Hell is for hell… Hell is for emacs.

Hell Is For Children by Pat Benatar

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By chance, do you know why neovim feels ten times more smooth in a TTY than in a graphic environment?

Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ Nov 1

Nope. But IME it’s common for GUIs to be slower and to use more memory than their TUI counterparts.

Everything generally is.

Eager Eagle Oct 31

emacs ofc. I’m sure there’s an emacs implementation of heaven

leo85811nardo Oct 31

More like heaven implementation within emacs, so you don’t even leave emacs in your second life

NaibofTabr Oct 31

There are definitely at least 9 circles of emacs filled with tormented souls.

They only know vi and don’t know about evil mode.

Eager Eagle Nov 1

that’s what I mean

This2ShallPass Nov 1

GitHub - emacsorphanage/god-mode: Minor mode for God-like command entering

Minor mode for God-like command entering. Contribute to emacsorphanage/god-mode development by creating an account on GitHub.

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morrowind Nov 1

Counterpoint, heaven probably has lots of Emacs

Seoun (she/her)Nov 24

heaven.el

Assassassin Oct 31

Just give me nano, I can’t be bothered to fuck with emacs or vim.

Eager Eagle Nov 1

use micro, it’s 1000x better

Assassassin Nov 1

Thanks, I’ll check it out

Edit: did I just fall for an si prefix joke?

Eager Eagle Nov 1

It’s a joke, but it’s a real editor

palordrolap Nov 1

The SI prefix thing stems from a joke anyway. Allow me to trot out the etymology again:

Once upon a time in the 1980s, there was created a program for reading ELectronic Mail called Elm.

Someone created a rival mail reader called Pine, which followed both the tree pun as well as the fact it was a recursive acronym: "Pine is not Elm".

Pine had an editor called the Pine Composer or Pico for short. Pico is both a typographical term as well as an SI unit. They may have been going for both. Too perfect a pun to pass up, perhaps.

Due to licensing uncertainty, someone else created a from-scratch clone of Pico called Nano, cementing the continuation of puns, but in the SI direction.

And then apparently someone else has decided to get on the bandwagon with Micro.

There’s a similar trend in the emulator world, it’s great.

cally [he/they]Nov 1

yes, but actually no

Micro - Home

palordrolap Nov 1

At the risk of invoking the ire of two communities, why shouldn't we think of Micro as Emacs but with Lua instead of Lisp?

drosophila Nov 1

I don’t know how Micro works, and I don’t actually use emacs day to day, but as I understand it emacs works a bit like:

When you press a key in emacs it invokes a Lisp function that takes as arguments the text buffer that has focus, the parameters of the ‘window’ into that buffer, and the cursor position in that window.
This is the case for any key you press in any context, even for typing normal letters.
A ‘mode’ in emacs is a set of bindings which associate specific keys with specific functions.
‘modes’ can be stacked on top of each other, with higher modes being able to intercept key presses before they reach lower modes, and changes / manipulate lower modes (I think?)
All of the editor’s functionality, such as ‘search’ or ‘undo’, is implemented in that way.
All of this is completely customizable, so pressing a key combo can be made to do virtually anything or manipulate the rest of the editor’s systems in any way.

Does Micro work anything like that?

flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)Nov 1

A ‘mode’ in emacs is a set of bindings which associate specific keys with specific functions.

Not quite, a mode is basically a lisp function defined with a different macro that integrates it into the various systems (like showing up in the modeline when active). It can do basically anything, including setting keybinds.

‘modes’ can be stacked on top of each other, with higher modes being able to intercept key presses before they reach lower modes, and changes / manipulate lower modes (I think?)

No, a keybind can only run one function and what that function is is whatever last defined a binding for that key. Like, if one mode defines a key to be something and you activate another that also binds that key, the take over.

Emacs does have something like you describe, where functions can be ‘advised’.

EmacsWiki: Advising Functions

drosophila Nov 1

I see

moseschrute Nov 1

Use vim. 1000x better than emacs

Jankatarch Nov 1

On one hand autocompletion is nice when I want to use a language instead of learning it.

On the other hand I am in the middle of my learning phase.

One thing that irks me a lot is that you save in nano with ^O why!? How does O relates to saving?

cepelinas Nov 1

I just save ny exiting ctrl+x

FalschgeldFurkan Nov 1

It makes the previous version obsolete

I want push my updates from volatile memory out to long term storage.

I always saw the O as output.

Assassassin Nov 1

Yeah, that is probably my biggest gripe with nano as well.

I’ll try emacs as soon as I find something that isn’t already perfect with vi

Well surely vi could be improved, otherwise we wouldn’t have vim?

Then the question becomes, “did neovim go to far?” :D

loweffortname Nov 1

I mean…has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

You can’t really use go want to do look more like until you’ve first been far even as decided to even go. It’s a prerequisite🤣

BeigeAgenda Nov 1

Neovim is on the path of enlightenment to become Emacs so everything is alright.

Helix

!! helix mentioned !!

Doom Emacs. made me switch from Vim/Neovim to it. Love it.

Emacs is real whether you like it or not.

(Also I go past one of these billboards about once a week, and I’ve always been so curious about how many calls they get. Or what they say when you call. I should get a Google voice number and check it out.)

vim for the win!

lmmarsano Nov 1

Nope: ed like in the picture.

ed (software) - Wikipedia

Vim missing in the picture is insulting

Didn’t know John mentioned a telephone number. Learning new things every day.

kittenzrulz123 Nov 1

Im going to vim heaven :3

GitHub - emacs-evil/evil: The extensible vi layer for Emacs.

The extensible vi layer for Emacs. Contribute to emacs-evil/evil development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Well I guess I’m Doomed then.

Doom Emacs

A configuration framework for GNU Emacs. Doom Emacs has 15 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

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circuitfarmer Nov 1

:q

GissaMittJobb Nov 1

Ed is the standard text editor

ed(1) is the standard text editor.

gandalf_der_12te Nov 1

saw someone unironically use vim the other day. i thought people actually using vim was a joke.

Why wouldn’t one use vim? It’s a great editor that works under any circumstance.

cepelinas Nov 1

Unless you want to exit it xD

mostlikelyaperson Nov 1

Esc :q for closing if you didn’t modify anything, :!q for closing and discarding any changes you made and:wq for closing and writing the changes to the file.

cepelinas Nov 1

I was joking I know how to exit because of sudoedit it just feels like it should be on the main screen like nano or atleast ctrl+c should exit.

If you start vim without opening a file it’s written on the screen in the beginning. It disappears as soon as you start writing something though.

cepelinas Nov 1

I didn’t notice thanks!

Also, when you want to Quit by hitting CTRL+C, VIM will tell you to use !q instead.

cepelinas Nov 1

I tried it just didn’t say anything for me, maybe it was an old version?

This2ShallPass Nov 1

Perhaps you have vim-tiny installed by default on your distro rather than just vim?