StrypeyOct 28

As usual, Labour are offering crumbs;

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577129/what-doctors-landlords-and-economists-make-of-labour-s-tax-plan

The absolute minimum they could possibly do without repeating 2023's failures, of principle *and* strategy, and promising nothing. Like their GST-off-this-and-that plan this is a patch on a hemorrhage, dressed up as ambitious policy.

If this is typical of what Labour plan to offer for 2026, they deserve to lose. Even if the rest of us don't deserve 3 more years of CLuxon's clowns.

#NZPolitics

What doctors, landlords and economists make of Labour's tax plan

The policy won't work if house prices don't go up, an expert says.

RNZ
Show threadJeremyJupiterJones Oct 28

@strypey

Your thinking is far too binary:

*Labour deserves to lose to Greens and become the junior coalition partner in the next government.

Show threadDave Lane  ðŸ‡³ðŸ‡¿Oct 28
@jeremy_pm @strypey that's what I'm working towards. Labour have earned a place as a minor party over the past decade or two since they deprecated their core constituency (Aotearoa's labourers) and became the neoliberalesqueish biz-light party.
Show threadStrypeyOct 29

@jeremy_pm
> Labour deserves to lose to Greens

We can all dream. In 1996 I really thought the Cannabis party would get 5%. In 2014 I thought the Internet MANA alliance would get 5%. And sure I'd love to think the Greens could leapfrog Labour in 2026.

Never say never. But the polling trend for 2026 is *not* looking promising.

I do agree with you both (and Chlöe) that this is the long game now. Labour are a spent force, hamstrung by a neoliberal rump they can't seem to shake off.

@lightweight

Show threadDave Lane  ðŸ‡³ðŸ‡¿Oct 29
@strypey @jeremy_pm I think we might see the Green moment gaining steam outside of Aotearoa prior to our next election... which might change people's idea of what's possible... pushing the Overton Window to the progressive side.
Show threadJeremyJupiterJones Oct 29

@lightweight @strypey

100%

https://youtu.be/09f8LEPvDPk

MELTDOWN Over Zack Polanski Green SURGE

YouTube
Show threadDave Lane  ðŸ‡³ðŸ‡¿Oct 29
@jeremy_pm heh - I was watching that particular video when I posted that about the Green Movement 🙃 @strypey
Show threadStrypeyOct 29

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@lightweight @jeremy_pm All I can say to that is, good luck. I'll be happy if that surge in UK Greens polling translates into winning seats in an FPP election. I'd be thrilled if the same Green surge happened here. But I see little sign of that so far, and I'm not holding my breath.

Show threadJeremyJupiterJones Oct 31

@strypey

Just thought I would share this to help you battle your understandable cynicism on the prospects of the UK Greens and the potential for their success to advance the #NZPol Greens in their pursuit of a larger slice of the pie in NZ’s 2026 election.

@lightweight

https://youtu.be/L5nbB-eCkaM

Zack Polanski’s Green Party Triggers Absolute Establishment Panic

YouTube
Show threadDave Lane  ðŸ‡³ðŸ‡¿Oct 31
@jeremy_pm @strypey that's a superb commentary. Folks here in Aotearoa can see the parallels for sure!
Show threadRaglan Niall  Oct 31
@lightweight @jeremy_pm @strypey the racing truism is appropriate here, "when the flag drops, the bullshit stops". Until there's election results we just don't know. I hope for change but so rarely see it go in the correct direction.
Show threadJeremyJupiterJones Oct 31

@Niall @lightweight @strypey

TBF, the political situation in Aotearoa NZ is quite different from the UK both in electoral system and party relations.

NZ Labour and Greens are quite aligned particularly with both parties understanding that they will have to work together in coalition should they be in a position to form a government after election. Whereas UK politics under FPP is very cut throat.

The hope I have is firstly there’s a change of government but also that the Greens are in a position to have more power and influence in the next #NZPol govt.

Show threadDave Lane  ðŸ‡³ðŸ‡¿
@jeremy_pm @Niall @strypey of course there are differences... but I want the Greens to surpass Labour, because Labour has made itself largely obsolete by adopting corporate neoliberalism and abandoning its core of labour.
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