Accidental Tech Podcast660: It’s All Chicken Salad
https://atp.fm/660
Apple's ICEblock takedown, AirPods Pro 3 comfort improvements, Live Translation tests, iPhone 17 Pro cases, and expanding the Goose fanbase.
Troy Gilbert@atpfm I still do not understand Marco’s insistence that DMB is not a jam band. As someone who has seen them live a dozen times and owned dozens of bootlegs, I’m not sure why the threshold for “jamming” is so high that it doesn’t include them. (Love y’all!)
Casey Liss@troygilbert It took me a LONG time to realize this, but, my definition of "jam band" is "any flavor of music but heavily centered around improvisation”.
@marcoarment’s [rather bananas] definition of "jam band" is "very guitar-forward music but heavily centered around improvisation”. (Or, less charitably, "sounds similar to Phish or The Grateful Dead”.)
Once I realized this was the gap between us, I found peace.
@caseyliss @marcoarment Thank you for the clarification 😂
Marco Arment@troygilbert @caseyliss Close, but not quite. 😉
Casey's definition of "jam band" is, effectively, "a band that jams”. It's a description of activity that any band in any genre can choose to engage in.
My definition of "jam band" is *its own musical genre*, on the level of rock, pop, hip-hop, etc., albeit much smaller.
They don't need to sound like Phish any more than every "rock" band needs to sound like the Rolling Stones, but it's definitely a genre with certain broad styles.
River@marcoarment @troygilbert @caseyliss Are King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard a jam band or a band that jams? (This is a heated topic with their fans, that’s for sure!)
@menz @marcoarment @troygilbert I reckon KGLW is a bit too out there for either of us, but I wonder (fear?) that one or both of us will fall into the trap.
notjessepinkman@caseyliss @menz @marcoarment @troygilbert @hotdogsladies “jam band” is a genre. Phish, Goose, Disco Biscuits. There’s a particular style/sound associated with them.
KGLW is a band that jams. Which means long improvisational takes on their source material, but their source material doesn’t have the same sound/style as the “jam band” genre.
This is likely my opinion because I think the “jam band” genre is the sonic equivalent of eating saltines.
Lastly, the Grateful Dead stands alone.
Merlin Mann@caseyliss @menz @marcoarment @troygilbert
It strikes me that one thing uniting a lot of jam bands is not so much any one genre or approach or sound so much as an interest by fans in how they do what they do.
Not everything is for everybody, but I bet most folks will find at least one tune that interests them here.
That's what makes them so interesting to me anyhow. If that makes any sense.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4Rx_vdLM940ABNerc-LfCbAF8lsn1wJ
𝗔 𝗚𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝗲 𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗞𝗚𝗟𝗪
Put differently, KGLW do a lot more than spoodily-spoodily metal pyrotechnics.
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Deadstick (Official Video)
They go a lot of surprising places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_z7t6WGPg&list=PLC4Rx_vdLM940ABNerc-LfCbAF8lsn1wJ&index=8
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Astroturf
@hotdogsladies However, this was.
Good bands contain multitudes!
Unrelated: all my playlists are based on the assumption people will skip things that don't appeal to them until they find a thing that appeals to them.
I instructed our scientists to build this into the algorithm!
Cf. my most ambitious playlist.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/77O0MTuAt9mIRVUM39gbcq?si=ff3fe061a4284c0e
Further unrelated: this playlist will be utterly inscrutable to people like our teen who quote "don't listen to albums."
Poor bastards can't even know what they've missed.
Which is fine, of course.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/77O0MTuAt9mIRVUM39gbcq?si=3ccc347eb1454fc9
John PorterPoint of order: I thought the “pretty maids” had to be at least three tracks to make it on the list. Was I mistaken or is this a new development?
Unrelated: albums make so much dang sense. How can a whole generation just not care at all about a curated package of output that exists in a context that cannot be captured by singles?!
Could be. That sounds like me. 😞
But seriously there's some killer one-twos that had to be in there.
Deflated AF@hotdogsladies @maletero I don’t know how you were able to hold yourself to just two songs from “This is Hardcore”. Fucking masterpiece.
Dr. Ward@hotdogsladies I’m so happy to see you like MJ Lenderman, who is one of my favorite discoveries this decade.
sharon linne faulk@hotdogsladies @caseyliss This album cover make me think of Phil Noto comic book covers.
I'll tell you what's awesome is you have a great eye, because that's another comics hero of mine, Jamie McKelvie!
@hotdogsladies @caseyliss I used to draw a lot as a kid. But decided artists couldn’t make any money and went into architecture. Architects don’t make money either but artists get to draw cool things like album covers and comics.
@hotdogsladies @caseyliss I’m not sure the beepiness is your jam Casey, but have no doubt the earnest heartmelting dreams of a new father are your feels: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_wToMurgw 🦋🧡
King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Butterfly 3000
Chris Huck@hotdogsladies Truly and amazingly talented group of people.
@hotdogsladies This was not for me.