660: It’s All Chicken Salad
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Apple's ICEblock takedown, AirPods Pro 3 comfort improvements, Live Translation tests, iPhone 17 Pro cases, and expanding the Goose fanbase.

@atpfm I still do not understand Marco’s insistence that DMB is not a jam band. As someone who has seen them live a dozen times and owned dozens of bootlegs, I’m not sure why the threshold for “jamming” is so high that it doesn’t include them. (Love y’all!)

@troygilbert It took me a LONG time to realize this, but, my definition of "jam band" is "any flavor of music but heavily centered around improvisation”.

@marcoarment’s [rather bananas] definition of "jam band" is "very guitar-forward music but heavily centered around improvisation”. (Or, less charitably, "sounds similar to Phish or The Grateful Dead”.)

Once I realized this was the gap between us, I found peace.

@caseyliss @marcoarment Thank you for the clarification 😂

@troygilbert @caseyliss Close, but not quite. 😉

Casey's definition of "jam band" is, effectively, "a band that jams”. It's a description of activity that any band in any genre can choose to engage in.

My definition of "jam band" is *its own musical genre*, on the level of rock, pop, hip-hop, etc., albeit much smaller.

They don't need to sound like Phish any more than every "rock" band needs to sound like the Rolling Stones, but it's definitely a genre with certain broad styles.

@marcoarment @troygilbert @caseyliss Are King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard a jam band or a band that jams? (This is a heated topic with their fans, that’s for sure!)

@menz @marcoarment @troygilbert I reckon KGLW is a bit too out there for either of us, but I wonder (fear?) that one or both of us will fall into the trap.

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@caseyliss @menz @marcoarment @troygilbert

It strikes me that one thing uniting a lot of jam bands is not so much any one genre or approach or sound so much as an interest by fans in how they do what they do.

Not everything is for everybody, but I bet most folks will find at least one tune that interests them here.

That's what makes them so interesting to me anyhow. If that makes any sense.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC4Rx_vdLM940ABNerc-LfCbAF8lsn1wJ

𝗔 𝗚𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝗲 𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗞𝗚𝗟𝗪

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Put differently, KGLW do a lot more than spoodily-spoodily metal pyrotechnics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7t2FL1SRaE

King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard - Deadstick (Official Video)

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