660: It’s All Chicken Salad
https://atp.fm/660

Apple's ICEblock takedown, AirPods Pro 3 comfort improvements, Live Translation tests, iPhone 17 Pro cases, and expanding the Goose fanbase.

@atpfm I still do not understand Marco’s insistence that DMB is not a jam band. As someone who has seen them live a dozen times and owned dozens of bootlegs, I’m not sure why the threshold for “jamming” is so high that it doesn’t include them. (Love y’all!)

@troygilbert It took me a LONG time to realize this, but, my definition of "jam band" is "any flavor of music but heavily centered around improvisation”.

@marcoarment’s [rather bananas] definition of "jam band" is "very guitar-forward music but heavily centered around improvisation”. (Or, less charitably, "sounds similar to Phish or The Grateful Dead”.)

Once I realized this was the gap between us, I found peace.

@caseyliss @marcoarment Thank you for the clarification 😂

@troygilbert @caseyliss Close, but not quite. 😉

Casey's definition of "jam band" is, effectively, "a band that jams”. It's a description of activity that any band in any genre can choose to engage in.

My definition of "jam band" is *its own musical genre*, on the level of rock, pop, hip-hop, etc., albeit much smaller.

They don't need to sound like Phish any more than every "rock" band needs to sound like the Rolling Stones, but it's definitely a genre with certain broad styles.

@marcoarment @troygilbert @caseyliss Are King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard a jam band or a band that jams? (This is a heated topic with their fans, that’s for sure!)

@menz @marcoarment @troygilbert I reckon KGLW is a bit too out there for either of us, but I wonder (fear?) that one or both of us will fall into the trap.

@hotdogsladies

@caseyliss @menz @marcoarment @troygilbert @hotdogsladies “jam band” is a genre. Phish, Goose, Disco Biscuits. There’s a particular style/sound associated with them.

KGLW is a band that jams. Which means long improvisational takes on their source material, but their source material doesn’t have the same sound/style as the “jam band” genre.

This is likely my opinion because I think the “jam band” genre is the sonic equivalent of eating saltines.

Lastly, the Grateful Dead stands alone.