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Proof that you shouldn’t kill violent extremists, just try to distract people from their influence. Killing them just martyrs them and draws unneeded attention to their cause.
You have no idea where the actual extremes are if you considered Kirk a ‘violent extemist’. Please stop muddying the term so that we properly identify and communicate about actual violent extremists.

Advocating for the enslavement of women by suggesting they shouldn’t be allowed to work or get an education and should just stay at home giving birth is violent extremism

freethoughtnow.org/charlie-kirk-glorifies-a-life-…

Advocating for a 10year old who was raped to be denied abortion and forced to deliver a rape baby is violent extremism

…yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-235100404…

Having his organization harass and dox professors around the country they don’t like, particularly women professors, is violent extremism

reddit.com/…/journalist_stacey_patton_pens_a_stat…

capitalbnews.org/black-professors-watch-list-thre…

thehill.com/…/5549577-antifa-rutgers-professor-tr…

Pushing racist rhetoric is violent extremism

theguardian.com/…/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

Charlie Kirk glorifies a life of subordination for women and girls at ‘Young Women’s Leadership Summit’ - Freethought Now

Walking into a Charlie Kirk–endorsed “Leadership Summit” geared toward young women, I already knew it would leave me upset. However, after a seemingly never-ending weekend, I realized it was not the constant degradation of women or the villainization of feminism that disturbed me the most, as I had expected. What bothered me more was the […]

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Hey friend, I appreciate all of the links and the feedback. Let me define these terms so we are on the same page.

Violence - the use of physical force with the intent to cause injury/death to a person/group Violent extremism - the belief system and actions of individuals/groups who use violence to achieve ideological/religious/political goals

Hopefully you are good with that.

Ok, so for the first two links you provided. Kirk was an evangelical christian and a promoter of those ideas. His views on the role of woman in society and his ‘all life is sacred’ stance on abortion is run of the mill in those circles. You and I likely align with our disagreement of those religious views, but these are standard, boiler plate views being promoted by evangelical christians. We may not like these views, but they are far from violent and even further from something extreme.

At the risk of sounding a bit dismissive, the other links about TPUSA members I will not and feel no need to comment on. We were talking about Kirk.

Regarding the last link, I’ve seen those racial quotes before. They are all out of context and very deceitfully so. If you are not going to take the time to listen to those quotes in context, just know that a lot of black people mourned Kirk’s death. If you do take the time to listen, I am not asking you to agree with Kirk, I rarely do, but I would ask that you question if these were calls to violence or even that extreme of a view.

All that said, the point I am truly trying to get across here is that words have meaning. Someone saying a vile racist thing is simply someone saying a vile racist thing. This is very distinct from getting punched in the face.

No, I am not good with those definitions, I am not your friend, and I am not cool with the gaslighting.

pacesconnection.com/…/what-is-structural-violence

The Definition of Structural Violence Originally coined in 1969, the term structural violence refers to a form of violence where one or several social structures or institutions harm people by preventing them from meeting their basic needs.

The structures in question include social, economic, and political systems that create disadvantages and risks for certain populations.

Structural violence perpetuates health inequalities and contributes to higher mortality rates in vulnerable populations. Unsurprisingly, the theories surrounding structural violence are closely linked to the social determinants of health.

Structural violence does not exist in a vacuum: it is created through persistent violence across communities and institutions. In the trauma-informed model, we view structural violence as the culmination of other types of social violence in order to explore the power we have to challenge structural violence across every level.

Individual Violence - Individual violence includes acts of social discrimination, which can be physical or emotional

Individual violence refers to specific moments of violence between individuals. We can think of individual violence as “violence that harms an individual.”

Community Violence- When we look at instances of individual violence on a larger scale, we can see how it develops into community violence. We can similarly think of community violence as “violence that harms a community.” Community violence happens when a community is exposed to intentional acts of interpersonal violence, such as sexual assaults, gang violence, or public shootings. These acts of violence can happen suddenly, or they may be anticipated.

Institutional Violence- The next level is institutional violence, where institutions possess organizational traits which:

  • are inherently violence
  • promote moral abandonment
  • normalize structural oppression

Systemic Violence- Institutional violence leads to systemic violence. Systemic violence encompasses the inequalities and continued or worsened disadvantages to marginalized populations through social customs or official policies. Systemic violence is worsened when those in power limit the power or potential of oppressed groups. They may do this intentionally or unintentionally, but the impact remains the same

Structural Violence - Built upon and surrounding all of these forms of violence is structural violence, where social structures, institutions, and policies do harm through the prevention of basic needs and social exclusion.

Structural violence occurs when inequity is perpetuated through discriminatory beliefs and power structures, such as racism, ableism, sexism, etc.

We can see Charlie actually enacted violence at every level through his speech. That also makes him an extremist, along with targetting multiple groups with his violence and organizing and pushing hate campaigns and doxxing campaigns.

Charlie Kirk himself directed his followers to doxx and harass professors per the first link in that section, which is victim testimony, which they carried on after his death. The Spain professor (3rd link) was being harassed WAY before he died. Bob Ross’s fans don’t struggle with doxxing and harassing professors. Jane Goodall’s fans - nope. Not Steve Irwin’s fans either even though he died somewhat as expected like how Charlie did (eg guy who messes with dangerous animals dies by a dangerous animal; guy who advocates for shooting people dies getting shot).

Those quotes were violent and racist, I have seen them in full context and they are actually WORSE in context. “But some black people are sad he died,” is racist af by you as a rebuttal by the way.

We are not of the same opinion. I am not like you. Don’t project.

What Is Structural Violence?

In January, people across the US celebrated Martin Luther King Jr. Day to mark the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement, which spoke out against racial discrimination in the American legal system. In February, we recognized Black History Month. As we celebrate the leaps and bounds that we have made as a country against racial discrimination and other forms of structural violence, it’s important that we acknowledge the structural violence that still exists in the US. The Civil Rights...

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his ‘all life is sacred’ stance on abortion is run of the mill in those circles

That might be. But it doesn’t mean it isn’t also violent. If your political stance on an issue can be directly traced to people dying, that’s violence. Any definition of violence which does not account for that is manifestly inadequate. (Note that I am only giving a sufficient condition here, and not a necessary one.)

Women who cannot receive access to proper medical treatment because of extremist evangelical laws restricting abortion die all the time. That’s violence.