Monthly subscribers to Charlie Kirks Turning Point

https://lemmy.world/post/37143324

Almost like he was just another fringe extremist who’s death is being exploited for political and financial gain!
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My favorite is couldn’t’ve, people say it all the time we never wrote it down that way, mostly because people will write it as “couldn’t of”
He had the ear of the president and his organization was responsible for the resurgence of the far right among young people in the United States. He was anything but fringe
Fair, perhaps I should rephrase it to “Fringe of sanity”. Although implying his beliefs were at all sane might be disingenuous.

Lol, you saw the numbers of subscribers. It was definitely fringe unless you think anyone with a couple of hundred thousand subscribers are mainstream influencers.

I mean there are teenagers doing makeup tutorials with more followers.

Assuming your comment is in good faith which is likely isn’t. The chart only shows back to 2023, toilet paper usa grew to prominence around the 2016 election. This chart also only shows new subscribers not their total number, an entrenched organization reaches market penetration and growth slows. Additionally this is a single platform being shown not the many arms of the proverbial octopus. Additionally additionally subscriber numbers matter far less these days than recommendation algorithms do, think of the innumerable number of short form TikTok videos people scroll by a day without further interaction that still impact their thoughts.

Looking at metrics of them making around $5k a month from YouTube shows they are not really competitive with other streamers. So I am still struggling to see the pedestal you have put them on.

You are correct though in the respect that they have a lot of subscribers (4+ mil). But that is not really translating into engagement.

As I stated before, if some random YouTuber making makeup tutorials are outpacing them in profit and beating their engagement it really does not seem they are some monolithic entity.

Looking at metrics of them making around $5k a month from YouTube shows they are not really competitive with other streamers. So I am still struggling to see the pedestal you have put them on.

You are correct though in the respect that they have a lot of subscribers (4+ mil). But that is not really translating into engagement.

As I stated before, if some random YouTuber making makeup tutorials are outpacing them in profit and beating their engagement it really does not seem they are some monolithic entity.

Fwiw I’ve heard that those public YouTube revenue estimates are wildly inaccurate.
You could be very right. Also posters have also pointed out that total numbers of subscribers means very little. With the amount of bots who even knows if engagement is a good measure.
He was EXTREMELY popular, but only on facebook, which is why nobody you know knew him more than a vague awareness of his existence.
Now it’s the Vance and Trump (Jr) show.
Can you define EXTREME with numbers? It doesn’t seem all that much to me when I dig into it
Only numbers I can find without interacting with those cess pits are here …cnn.com/…/charlie-kirk-erika-social-media-tpusa-… where they identify the biggest growth on meta platforms. If you know anyone on facebook, you can just see that Kirk’s brand of boomer-conservativism thrives there. People who don’t get any traction on youtube or tiktok or even twitter will be flooded with comments on facebook like “I’m so glad the youths are alright”
Charlie Kirk’s social media accounts have gained millions of followers since his murder

Kirk’s widow, Erika, and many of his fans have predicted that Wednesday’s assassination will make his voice even more powerful posthumously.

CNN
Extreme popularity among a small but rabid group of deranged lunatics isn't really extreme popularity.
You may be under estimating how popular facebook still is
Why? It was enough to win the presidency
he does get posted on reddit often in political memes , or whitepeople twitter, or the Toiletpaper sub.
Guys he can only be shot to death once that was the series finale
It’s just so rare for a series to finish on a high note

I’m still a bit erect from it all

Well, time to watch the video again and make things fully erect once more

My fuckin plasma screen tv
A couple MAGAs I know believe it was an inside job for this reason as well as a spark to propel the country forward into perma maga.

Ask them for details and set a timer for mention of ‘The Jews’.

I bet it will be under 5 minutes.

"I mean come on, how was the shot so precise without a laser sight?"

"Speaking of lasers..."

he “telekinetically” curved his bullet.-maga.

I know. Nevertheless, the conspiracy theories on this are all over the place. Substack & YT. I don’t do TikTok but they’re probably there as well.

The man in the blue jacket? Or any number of people nearby.

That is interesting. I have a few observations though…

Vance hosted the first show after Kirk died. I suspect that a very large portion of those subscribers signed up to see how that went.

That being the case, there’s probably a large portion of those who signed up for that reason who were not aligned with TP USA.

Vance hosted the show

Well that makes sense because we know these numbers could not come from Republicans watching his wife, a woman…

Proof that you shouldn’t kill violent extremists, just try to distract people from their influence. Killing them just martyrs them and draws unneeded attention to their cause.

The left didn’t kill him. The same people that he was, killed him.

They killed their own guy. Are you telling them not to hate their own hate preachers? They brought attention to their own cause by killing their own guy, then pushing it on their own billionaire owned media networks.

You’re spreading disinformation. Willingly or because of your personal stupidity? Who’s to say.
Nope. lol try again. Look up what his steam screen name was buddy and the groyper symbol he flashed while in his Nick Fuentes porn approved fursuit
We don’t need to talk about the accused shooters political views, steam profile, or sexual interests. It’s all noise. There is no real evidence that he even was the shooter. No video of him taking the shot, no medical report, ballistics that don’t make any sense, timelines that don’t make sense, no confession, etc etc etc.
You’re asking me to ignore the symbols that have been presented to me, I don’t think so buddy
Again, there is no definitive evidence that this kid was the shooter. He’s only been accused of that by the FBI. You know, the FBI? The people that have a LONG history of making things up to protect their friends, the organization that is renown for destroying evidence. Looking at whether this kid was left/right/trans/gay/groyper/whatever, is a giant waste of time and energy.
wait are you pushing the Israel had him killed or the Trump admin had him killed angle?
Mentioning that we should be sceptical about the narratives pushed by the FBI and politicians does not mean I’m pushing some other narrative. None of us know what happened that day (and we may never actually find out), but I can assure you that the if the truth does come out it won’t come from the people in power.
this is rogan levels of lol
Really? Being distrustful of those that have nothing to gain by being truthful and a lot to gain by lying is ‘rogan levels of lol’? Would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?

the irony of referencing selling a bridge while spinning conspiracy theories based on ‘government bad’

anyway this is pointless

Both Isreal and the US had already prepared propaganda for his death. It will s like they knew he was going to die and that the left did it. So strange.
The timeline REALLY does not make sense, especially with verified video recordings.
You’re likely both correct. My thought on the guy so far is that he is a conservative raised groyper edgelord that found care and compassion in his romantic relationship with his trans roommate, which led him to question and revolt against everything he was raised to believe (switched to "the left). His hyper violent, shortsighted, gun obsessed brain then took that realization and processed it into “murder seems like the most reasonable response”.

Still, the FBI timeline and narrative doesn’t match with factual recorded evidence. Eg there’s a video of him running off the roof directly after the shooting (people are just starting to look around at the shot and panic/run away), but they say he took a blue screwdriver found on scene to disassemble the gun (normally takes time), left the screwdriver, put it back together on the ground with a 2nd screwdriver.

There was no time in the video footage for him to have done that. And the video footage of him jumping off the roof from the other angle/side does not show a put together Mauser, that’s why they had to claim he disassembled it.

We don’t know who killed Kirk yet, the FBI narrative is nonsense.
Not only that, but the right is forbidding people from quoting him. They’ve erased who he actually was more thoroughly than a bullet
You have no idea where the actual extremes are if you considered Kirk a ‘violent extemist’. Please stop muddying the term so that we properly identify and communicate about actual violent extremists.
You think a guy who advocated for executions being broadcast live on tv wasn’t a violent extremist? Stochastic terrorism is just as violent as regular terrorism.

Though the concept of stochastic terrorism can be useful, you are misapplying it here.

I am not familiar with Kirk advocating for executions being broadcast live on tv, but no I would not consider that opinion to make someone a violent extremist. I believe George Carlin also held that opinion.

I’m not misapplying shit. He advocated for violence and he got what he deserved. Anyone who defends him is just as big of a piece of shit.
Interesting, can you find me full context quotes or videos of Kirk advocating for violence?
No, look it up yourself. I don’t engage with sealions.

I have tried to find it in the past. I was curious why people kept saying the things you are saying. I couldn’t find anything damning. I found a great deal of out of context stuff that made him look bad, but that’s true for anybody with thousands of hours of talking on camera.

Is being a sealion a good or bad thing? Is a sealion anyone that disagrees with you?

A sealion is someone who demands more proof more proof more proof because no amount of proof will change their mind.