Mastodawn

@aria It's cool that Proton exists, and it's weird that they talk about "encryption" so much when all of the email is sitting behind passwords. No IMAP without some weird desktop bridge, even though they have endless #openvpn endpoints to run it over if TLS is somehow not enough. No way to use an open-source mail client on Android.

@alrs I just prefer the look and feel of proton, and realise its WAYYY cheaper considering i already pay for protonVPN, a password manager, and a Google mail service

So it makes sense to go for the proton business package that's all of that for cheaper

Lars Lehtonen

@aria ProtonVPN is free, no matter where you're hosting email.

@alrs yeah, I'm aware the free plan exists, but for my use-cases, I need the paid plan

@aria I'm not advocating for googs. tuta.com, maybe?

@alrs I think I'm gonna go with proton, unless you know anything bad with it?

It's mainly just personal preference

@aria If you're OK with encryption promises that don't make sense and an inability to use open protocols on mobile, then you're good. They run a reliable service.

@alrs mind explaining what open protocols means?

@aria Say you want to run Thunderbird on a de-googled or even stock Android phone: you can't, as ProtonMail doesn't speak IMAP. You're stuck with the ProtonMail client out of the Play Store.

@alrs ah, so, it's not something I'd really be bothered about since I just really wanna send emails, have a good VPN, password manager, etc just for daily use

@aria you're the boss

@alrs I'm tempted to register a .dev domain

But aria.dev is taken

I might go with ariarees.dev but idk, I like having something clean

@aria anything 4-letter and common is going to be brutal.

@alrs do I just end up going with [firstlast].dev?

And then what do i do for the email?

hi@
me@

@aria dunno, but [email protected] was the greatest email address I ever saw.

@alrs amazing lmao

i'll just go with firstlast.dev

do you think hi@firstlast or me@firstlast is best?

@alrs i've seen something like mail@ or contact@ online maybe for a more professional look?

@aria [email protected]

@aria [email protected]. [email protected]. [email protected]. [email protected]

@alrs it appears they added it, unless i'm mistaken.

Martin Geisler Oct 18

@alrs @aria I work at Proton, though not on Mail. I agree it's a shame that there isn't an IMAP service which could give you access to the encrypted mails. From talking to our crypto team, I believe we're sending/receiving completely normal #OpenPGP encrypted emails.

Are there alternative Android email clients which can decrypt such emails?

Lars Lehtonen Oct 19

@mgeisler @aria I'm dubious that they're #openpgp encrypted when they arrive on my machine when I don't have a key on my side and I'm able to login to the website with a password.