just_another_person'Shame on you!' Dems erupt on House floor as Mike Johnson orders recess despite shutdown
TropicalDingdongDemocratic leadership in this moment is incredibly bad.
CorkyskogOh yes, how dare they shutdown the house floors… Oh wait.
I think the goal of some of these lemmites (lemmings, lemmors?) is to push all the moderates out of the Democratic Party so we’re left with only the truest most liberal of politicians. And from there, we will win 20 senate seats and never see the presidency again.
If democrats aren’t alienating the majority of Americans, they aren’t the party for us!
Huh?
Yes, there are definitely accelerationists (both tankies and useful idiots) who just want to watch things burn.
But this? I can see the logic. But there is zero chance that resolution would have passed and this is just republicans shutting the government down a few hours early rather than bickering until the last minute.
For DNC leadership that insists on decorum and tradition? Yeah, that is atrocious and horrible and an even greater sin than not properly clapping for someone. But it doesn’t matter to anyone else. This is now a war of the news and social media and not one that is going to be solved while in session.
And all this comes across as is… weakness.
exactly
Hence the comment about the worthlessness of current leadership. Shutting the government. down shuts down project 2025. It forces the gestapo to work unpaid. That might last a week, but two, three weeks? That shit doesn’t fly when you are deployed to fucking Chicago and you are now paying for shit out of pocket.
Democratic leaders are cowards who are afraid to wield force, and they have the perfect opportunity here to show the incompetence and bankruptcy of this administration, along with extracting results.
Schumer and Jeffery’s are working to do the opposite. Worthless.
We’ll definitely agree to disagree, but I said what I said and your comment makes me feel no different.
In a time when Republicans should be in the hot seat, liberals (which I assume you are), are instead focusing on how shitty democrats are. In every post I see about what republicans are doing wrong, the first comment is to shit on Democrats.
This is how we give republicans the midterms.
This is how we give republicans the midterms.
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liberals (which I assume you are)
Well you are clearly an idiot who doesn’t understand the definition of terms or have the remotest context for their comments.
The will for Democrats to meet Republicans halfway is precisely why Democrats lost this past elections.
You want to call me… ME?!? liberal? Bruh, you are literally advocating a liberal position. Get a clue. Don’t even bother showing up to the comments if you don’t know what words mean.
Well you are clearly an idiot
Relax dude. I’m a real person.
I see now that you are a conservative who wants democrats to fail. I’ve have been seeing countless liberals on here that want the same thing. It’s hard to tell the difference these days.
Dude you are literally advocating a liberal position. Stop using words where you don’t use their meaning.
Are you high? I am not disputing that at all. I am liberal. I thought you were as well based on the fact that all the liberals on here have been shitting on democrats lately.
You do understand that liberalism is a conservative ideology?
This is what I mean when I call you an idiot:
> An unlearned, ignorant, or simple person, as distinguished from the educated; an ignoramus.
You don’t know what words mean.
Please enlighten me. In American politics liberals are left/democrats. Conservatives are right/republicans.
Saying a liberals and conservatives are the same thing is literally not how I have ever heard anybody talk… unless you are referring to terminology in different countries.
Either way, I’m fine being an idiot. I can always learn. Most people that are assholes are stuck that way.
Look at your ratios dude. You walked into a politics forum not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground, not even knowing the barest definitions of terms.
Its not my job to educate you, but you can start with these two books:
Howard Zinn, a peoples history
Noam Chomskey, hedgemony or survival
If you don’t understand what a liberal is, in this day and age, you have a hole in your brain.
wetbeardhairsWhen they shut the government down, there is still a huge pile of money to be dispersed. It just closes down some offices. Trump has stolen many billions from congressionally allocated uses. That money will pay the gestapo while everyone else eats ramen until the government reopens
Trump isn’t the type to pay people. He deliberately tries to renege on debts owed, just to feel like a brilliant deal artisan. He especially doesn’t care about poors nor military service members, which ICE somehow Venn Diagrams on top of the racism.
This isn’t his plan. It’s the long orchestrated project 2025 shit. They want to shutdown the normal government but keep ICE running so they can do their kristalnacht without your normal non-fascist govt employees getting in the way with things like injunctions
JaysynSure, the money exists, but the people that cut those paychecks have been furloughed.
🇵🇸antifa_ceoAh the enlightened centrist take that has been leading to loss after loss in campaigns.
This is true. Centrists are like “we need to.move right to win the election” and then don’t win the election. Then they blame the left, who don’t have power nor were appealed to
I’m in no way saying we need to take a moderate/centrist approach. I am saying this is a moment when Republicans are vulnerable, and all this community wants to do is bag on the Democratic Party. That is how we always lose.
They’re bagging on the Democratic leadership who are once again not doing anything to actually take advantage of that vulnerability…
You don’t always need to take action to take advantage of a vulnerability.
How do you think the Republicans became so powerful in this country?
By being nice and letting their ideological enemies flourish?
I think they flourish because their voters do not generally care about hypocrisy and logic.
The Republicans feed their base with wins regularly. Sure they don’t care about the hypocrisy or whatever as well, but it’s also that they are actually doing things for them. Now these things don’t really change their lives but it sure makes them feel good.
When do the Dems do this?
My point is that democratic voters are so quick to abandon democrats when they aren’t behaving exactly as they want. Republicans don’t care.
You are missing my point entirely. I’m addressing your point - it’s just dumb. No party is owed voters - they must work to do things to get those voters to support them. The Republicans do this all the time. The Dems do not. That’s it. If they want people to vote for them, they need to have a compelling platform that actually gets people in their base excited - like how the Republicans do.
Republicans see their base being transphobic and they throw them a bone on that. They see them hating immigrants and they throw them a bone on that. It serves their interests sure, but it also keeps their base in line and willing to support them on the more heinous things that just hurt them in the long run.
By contrast the Dems see their base wanting things like healthcare or to stop funding genocide and what do they do? They ignore it and double down on the Republican talking points to try and pull some of their voters away rather than just run on the policy that would make them extremely popular and a shoe in to win elections.
Do you see what I am saying yet?
Doing nothing, as they have been, has done fuck all.
You USUALLY have to take some action.
Well the Republicans are currently doing whatever they want because the Democratic party has been so utterly worthless for so long.
They can’t fight against fascism in an election and barrel to the right. They can’t fight fascism when they have power.
The Dems deserve every ounce of vitriol they are getting right now they are a fundamentally useless organization that only serves as the slightly less mean wing of conservative thought in the US.
Well the Republicans are currently doing whatever they want because the Democratic party has been so utterly worthless for so long.
They can’t fight against fascism in an election and barrel to the right. They can’t fight fascism when they have power.
The Dems deserve every ounce of vitriol they are getting right now they are a fundamentally useless organization that only serves as the slightly less mean wing of conservative thought in the US.
Talking about alienating people…
I think we could all live without “”“moderates”“” like you.
Slammed
Is that your go to when you disagree either someone, but don’t have a real argument? Go find out which mods have overreacted to something and then that invalidates everything that user ever says?
I am not moderate, I’m anything but homophobic/transphobic, so that is 100% irrelevant.
Brother you keep saying you aren’t these things but we can read what you’re writing…
Yeah bud you’re such a victim lol
If you want to have a conversation about the comment that these mods banned me for, I’d be happy to do so in that thread. But pulling up some BS rather than actually engaging in a conversation on what I actually said in this thread is bullshit.
Nowhere am I acting like a victim. I’m just pointing out your BS.
No I don’t want to have a conversation with you, I wanted to call you for being a donkey, and I did :D
Sucks to suck, skill issue <3
No I don’t want to have a conversation with you
Keep being the reason Democrats lose. Cheers.
If only I had an ounce of respect for anything you say lol :D
Move along, bottom feeder.
Oh, random internet person doesn’t respect me because they saw something with literally zero context and can’t think for themselves. My heart is breaking. 💔
You cared enough to reply lol
I’m on the internet to kill time. You’ve helped me kill it ❤️
what a sad story
Oh, so funny. 🤓. Mods abusing their powers. Haven’t seen that story before. 😂
The unfortunate part of it is that the community has abused the word “transphobia” to the point that it doesn’t really mean anything. It should mean something, and calling someone transphobic should have power, but it doesn’t anymore because people throw the term around like it’s nothing. You’re not 100% on board with every single thing someone says? You’re transphobic!
Kind of like calling someone antisemitic these days. It means nothing because people have abused it to shut down conversations and debates when they should have embraced the opportunity for a conversation or at least defended their point of view.
Just like you did at the beginning of this. Zero context, but cause I was banned from some communities I’ve never even been to, you’re going to tell me you don’t want to have a conversation.
It’s that kind dismissive BS that is giving power to the Republicans and pushing people away from the Democratic Party. If you had it your way, this party would be a skeleton with nothing else.
push all the moderates out of the Democratic Party so we’re left with only the truest most liberal of politicians.
Why should we listen to you when you have no idea what words even mean? The moderates are the liberals!
On top of that, your argument is ass-backwards anyway, even after we interpret it as you meant (“the truest most leftist of politicians”) instead of as you said.
By your logic, since the MAGAs successfully pushed all the moderates out of the Republican Party so we’re left with only the truest most fascist of politicians, they went on to win only 20 Senate seats and never saw the presidency again.
…oh wait.
The difference between republicans and democrats is republicans stick with their party no matter what. The know they can say and do whatever bullshit they want, and they will maintain their voters.
Democrats don’t have this luxury. If they feel like the Democratic Party sucks, they won’t vote.
Democrats don’t have this luxury. If they feel like the Democratic Party sucks, they won’t vote.
All the more reason Democrats need to start fucking listening to their voting base (working-class Americans) by moving left instead of conspiring with corporate donors and moving right to screw us.
The key thing to understand is that there are no mythical “moderate voters” to court. Those are nothing but a fucking fantasy; a lie perpetrated by the Democratic Party as an excuse to chase money at the expense of votes.
There are hardly any left leaning congressmen left. The Overton window has been shoved so far to the right for decades that most Democrats are right of center, neo-liberal corporatists.
Even if you got rid of most of the Democratic Party, there’s only a handful that are not right of center. There is no such thing as a progressive part of the Democratic Party.
The stark reality is that the government has been so corrupted and under funded for so long there isn’t money for big public works projects or to overhaul the medical system or really innovate or build new things because it just going into corporate shareholders pockets.
The American people have been duped and the wealth of the nation has been transferred to Wall Street over the course of the last several decades. The corporations are flush with cash, and the country is falling apart. Since corporations and the wealthy elite don’t pay their fair share taxes, and keep taking all the cookies out of the jar, everybody’s fucked and fighting with each other instead of uniting to get these corrupt assholes out of politics.
The very fact that all these tech bro, billionaires have seized control of the government along with white nationalist crysto-fascist think tanks, like the heritage foundation, shows the weakness of the American style government.
So depressing.
I am just hopeful that the up and coming politicians that were inspired by Bernie Sanders (AOC, Mamdani, others?) will make themselves a large part of the Democratic Party. They won’t be able to do it while democrats can’t hold a majority of any office.
The problem with the Democratic Party, as it’s mentioned elsewhere in this thread is the Democrats run an issues based campaign. When those don’t line up with their voter base voters abandon them and don’t show up to vote.
As I see it, a lot of these progressive policies are unpopular with the corporate controlled portion of the government. Since corporation control a sizable portion of both parties via their “free speech” monetary donations to campaigns, They’re not interested in supporting any types of progressive initiatives because it eats into their bottom line their shareholder profits, and they certainly don’t wanna pay more taxes or higher wages. Not when they can spend the money, they have a mast on stock buyback, make more money, tax-free, and figure out how to pay even less taxes on those profits.
There is no significant government works projects that can be paid for or completed on time because the powers it be would rather have the money sitting in their pockets were going towards their third luxury yacht. And they’re willing to spend the money of the politicians and judiciary do what they want.
troy_friz_zellAre you high?
High on life. And highlighters, and high diving, and hiking, and weed, and hypotheticals
"push all the moderates out of the Democratic Party so we’re left with only the truest most liberal of politicians. "
This is not a thing. It's not even close to reality.
It’s absolutely a thing. 100% reality.
What good is a moderate when there’s no middle ground on anything anymore?
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