finally some normal fucking people on reddit
@fen oh they're in IT, yeah same
@fen "if the meeting is especially useless", so like every meeting they're getting high?
@fen Huffing paint to get the meeting in quicker, understandable
@fen Since February? How many meetings is that?

@DavidBHimself @fen

> Daily standups are the biggest contributor.

I would assume at least 3-5 meetings per week.

@cynical_melomaniac @fen

I must admit that I have no idea what a daily standup is and that it was a kind of meeting.

(I'm lucky that most my meetings are emails)

@cynical_melomaniac @fen Also, 3-5 meetings a week is insane. Do they ever work or just do meetings?

@DavidBHimself @fen It's typically a 15 minute progress report every day (or at least that's what I can gather from the internet).

Yes, it could just be an email, but tech CEOs are averse to the idea of Work from Home in general, so it's a good tool to do some harrassment.

Edit: I am probably wrong, (see this: https://mastodon.online/@teotwaki/115291765019001332). As someone who is not a working professional, maybe I should have refrained from editorializing. Leaving it up though, it reflects my views on this.

Sebastian Lauwers (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] It’s got nothing to do with CEOs, and everything with how a lot of companies misunderstand “agile”. The original idea is just to huddle quickly, see if anyone has any blockers, and then move on. The original formulation meant it was explicitly not a meeting. I’ve had teams where we did the plank to ensure it was expedited as quickly as possible. Then scrum and kanban started making people move postits on whiteboards, and “ceremonies”, and it’s a farce.

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@cynical_melomaniac @DavidBHimself @fen It’s got nothing to do with CEOs, and everything with how a lot of companies misunderstand “agile”.

The original idea is just to huddle quickly, see if anyone has any blockers, and then move on. The original formulation meant it was explicitly not a meeting. I’ve had teams where we did the plank to ensure it was expedited as quickly as possible.

Then scrum and kanban started making people move postits on whiteboards, and “ceremonies”, and it’s a farce.

@teotwaki @cynical_melomaniac @DavidBHimself @fen it becomes a lot more understandable when you realize that 90% of management is babysitting a couple people in each team who need extra support just to show up for the basics, and you can't just fire them because sometimes they have a point that they actually aren't getting what a reasonable amount of information on what needs to happen.

@DavidBHimself @cynical_melomaniac @fen 3-5 is insane? I will need to reflect on my *checks calendar* 19 meetings/13 hours a week.

I am not in management.

@latenightowl @cynical_melomaniac @fen This qualifies as beyond insane.

I have one meeting a month. Exceptionally (once or twice a year) two.

One meeting a month is the sane amount of meetings in my opinion. Once a week the most tolerable.

@latenightowl @DavidBHimself @cynical_melomaniac @fen yeah standard for me was 2-5 a *day* but I do cross-functional team coordination with multiple projects.
@DavidBHimself @cynical_melomaniac @fen I'm a project manager, and 3-5 meetings is a light *day*.
@DavidBHimself @cynical_melomaniac @fen It's a kind of ritual of the Church of Agile. It interrupts your whole context and makes you listen to mostly irrelevant progress reports for 15 minutes (and give one of your own). Imo it decreases actual productivity while increasing the perceived Doing Of Something.
@fen no, no, that seems fun
@fen @Erpel 3rd point hits kinda hard today....

@fen
- if the meeting is especially useless, I lift it to my nose and take nice big whiffs.

I can only imagine the effect of this much paint 🤣🤣🤣