psychOdelic she/hersmoking cannabis should be forbidden everywhere
GladaedSo do a lot of other things. This is not a usual reaction/sensitivity. You may be victim of a psychosomatic effect. I.e. give someone water and tell them it’s alcohol and they will act drunk for they believe they are.
You might benefit from getting some help. In particular those symptoms may be something you are feeling subconsciously all the time or of some undigested trauma.
There are also people who feel bad seeing dogs, cars, trains rolling into stations and myriad other potentially dangerous things.
HamartiogonicIt’s also entirely possible that OP is an extreme case where even low doses can trigger various symptoms. It’s all very complex when psychosomatic factors are involved, but you still have to consider the physiological factors too. In medicine and toxicology, it’s really common that different people respond very differently to the same dose of the same compound.
If OP is a rare exception, their opinion should be viewed in that light. BTW that makes the opinion equally rare, and consequently unpopular.
Didn’t say they were wrong. You are virtually always right when talking about your own experiences.
Merely inhaling a single whiff of second hand smoke is very unlikely to actually do any thin, so you should look inside first and foremost.
Paradox effects and hypersensitivity are particularly common in autistic, ADHD and others. It is somewhat likely that they are extra sensitive. Involuntary exposure sucks.
sp3ctr4lI am a person who has had a legitimate psychotic break from smoking waaay too much weed, for a decently sustained period of time.
Yep, its rare, but it does happen.
That being said… I do not share OP’s opinion that weed should just be banned for everyone… people like me are a statistical anomaly.
Its… usually not a problem though, for me to briefly walk past somebody toking up, I may get a mild ‘contact’ high from it, as I am highly sensitive, but it ususally fades in 15 min or less.
But if I am in a room of people hotboxing… yeah I’ll get decently high with me not taking any hits, if I’m in there for more than 15 minutes.
Also also:
For me, as best I can tell, its just… any THC that does this to me.
CBD gummies? Back when I was able to find actual smokeable strains with nearly 0 THC but fairly high CBD amounts?
Totally different kind of high, no paranoia, works on neuro receptors in a significantly different way than THC.
Possibly also relevant, maybe not:
I am Autistic.
There is an emerging, but far from totally agreed on and fully explained… view, that, well, autistic brains, or at least certain potential subclasses of autistic brains… actually do have physically distinct brain chemistry and activity patterns than non autistic brains.
Basically, more and more actual genes and gene clusters are being identified, and at least some of those are being found to alter brain neurochemistry in measurable and mechanistically understood ways that nobody seems to have even known were possible before.
There could possibly thus be a propsensity toward an actually physically different reaction to many kinds of drugs from at least some autists.
But this is also fairly confusing because what is … currently being called ‘Autism’… well, some people have some of these mutations, some have all of them, some have none.
So… its far from fully understood, but it may be the case that in 5 or 10 years, Autism ends up being actually subclassed partially based on genetics and epigenetics, beyond just based on a description of behavioral patterns.
Thanks for taking the time to share. Was a very interesting thing to read.
Speaking of autism, this is in the realm of psychology, which is still in its infancy. The terms and theories are far from stable, so you can expect everything to change within the next century. I’m pretty sure the term autism will eventually be divided into a number of distinct phenomena with overlapping symptoms.
Current psychology doesn’t really have the analysis methods that would allow us to formulate and test more proper theories. Currently psychology is largely based on observations, symptoms and opinions, which isn’t really the kind of foundation you would want for a serious science that makes serious predictions.
As a result, anything you read about psychology tot should be taken with a grain of salt. Is a work in progress, so the results are only qualitative at best and completely wrong at worst.
Oh yes lol, I am well aware that psychology is… fairly far from a ‘hard’, empirically based science.
It is slowly taking baby steps toward that, but uh yeah… as you say, there is a lack of rigorous analysis methods, and definitions are changing all the time.
I am glad you concur that ‘Autism’ is likely to be reconfigured as a kind of family of more distinct subclasses…
I have certainly met Autistic people with say, basically 0 impulse control and no capacity for emotional regulation… and while I do have some other ‘abnormal’ behavioral patterns and ways of thinking in common with those people…
I am not like that, I am, or was called at one point, a ‘high functioning autistic’… but that was back when Aspergers was… still a distinct thing.
Ironically, this lack of consistent and coherent classification… well, this bothers me greatly, as I very much like ideas that are consistent and coherent, lol.
Oh well, back to making and modifying video game mods for me, hahaha!
Approximately 300 years ago, chemistry was still in a phase that resembles modern psychology. Instead of talking about electrons and atoms, chemists spoke about the affinity two compounds have for each other. Chemists observed reactions and made an affinity table of the results. Have a look at that picture, and you’ll see how messy it was back then.
They didn’t know what their materials were really made of or why they reacted. They were just observing the results, just like psychologists are still doing these days. Sure, there were interpretations and opinions, but most of them went out the window as soon as it became possible to analyze the elemental composition of the materials.
Since autism is defined based on its symptoms, the definition is inherently very nebulous. In medicine, you don’t clump every headache into the same category, because there are a million things that cause the same thing and in many cases you can find the root cause. You just need a few samples and long list of biochemical analyses to find most of them.
Psychology isn’t so lucky. Who knows how many different things got lumped into one big pile we call autism. Same goes for all the disorders too. I would argue that terms like depression and anxiety are about as useful as those 300 year old affinity tables.
I cannot think of anything clever to add to this, so I will settle for simply complimenting your way of putting this, and begrudgingly admit I am somewhere between jealous and impressed at you that I cannot think of anything to add to this, hahah!
That’s just the result of spending hours diving into strange rabbit holes and later trying to justify the time and effort that went into it. Also, modern LLMs speed up the exploration phase. Imagine having to read a hundred wikipedia articles to reach this point. With LLMs, you can narrow down your search and focus on the things you find most interesting.
Yes i am. This is not the problem here though, I was a heavy smoker for a year (daily) and kept trying to tell myself I’m not feeling any negative effects because I really do like smoking weed, but I came to accept that it’s just harmful to me.
rahI was a heavy smoker for a year (daily) … I came to accept that it’s just harmful to me
So that lends weight to the idea that your reaction to secondhand smoke is psychosomatic.
Ah, a terrible take on prohibition. Have an upvote.
IsaForbidden everywhere? Even in places especially made for those who wish to smoke it? Sounds as valid as when religious people forbidding unreligious ones to live their current lives as they please, since that would hamper the religious peoples beliefs otherwise.
No, like public spaces. Anything should be legal in ones private space. (Except the obvious…)
Well, I could arrange myself around that, only I’d rather like to see it as a convention of kindness or let’s better call it reciprocal fairness (so to avoid naming the golden rule), than a law. Law’s would be broken, by those not agreeing to them. But asking someone to be so kind to look after their fellow citizens, instead of demanding, — that — they — must —follow — the — rules — might convince them even more easily. ^^ Yes, yes, I know, I’m a dreamer, not aware of the cruel and unforgiving reality he’s,living in. 😉 Yet still: I prefer kindness over insistence. But, as I said (even though I believe alcohol to be a far more dangerous drug, which _really _ needs to be more controlled), I could live with smoking weed outside privat situations to be prohibited … restricted. 🙂
JackbyDevEdit the title to say that then.
Because “ban smoking cannabis in public” is actually not an unpopular popular opinion. 🙄
potoooooooo ✅️Even at home?
No… I missed that part :/
TabbsTheBat (they/them)I’d say “ban cannabis” is not exactly an unpopular opinion, the majority of the world governments have it banned, but smoking specifically does make it weird
Why? Cannabis doesn’t hurt anyone who takes it voluntarily, so anyone should be able to consume it, just not at the “cost” of others.
Then the opinion should be ban smoking cannabis in public, not just a general ban… and with that reasoning I don’t see why it should be cannabis specific. I hate choking on cancer fumes of others, so ban smoking/vaping in public seems like a much better ban in that regard, if the concern is not harming others with 2nd hand smoke
Then the opinion should be ban smoking cannabis in public, not just a general ban…
But OP asked only for smoking weed, instead of banning weed altogether!? 😲
so ban smoking/vaping in public seems like a much better ban in that regard, if the concern is not harming others with 2nd hand smoke
I’d absolutely agree on that. Please let us ban any drugs that produce 2nd hand harm! (I’d even put alcohol into that ban too then, for the violence drunkenness produces in the drinkers, that then harms all around them.
But OP asked only for smoking weed, instead of banning weed altogether!? 😲
Don’t see why that’s relevant. I never implied they said it any other way.
But a general ban on smoking weed rather than smoking in public specifically does mean you can’t smoke at home too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’d absolutely agree on that. Please let us ban any drugs that produce 2nd hand harm! (I’d even put alcohol into that ban too then, for the violence drunkenness produces in the drinkers, that then harms all around them.)
Im down to ban it too, but then it would be an issue of enforcement :3
I never implied they said it any other way.
My mistake then (non native speaker here), sorry! Really thought you did. 😬 My apologises then, if I may. ^^
It’s fine x3… I may have phrased it oddly too as another non-native speaker tbh
bufalo1973Just look at the result of the alcohol ban in the US.
I don’t like tobacco but I understand that people can smoke when nobody around has a problem with that.
walking by someone smoking it makes me “high”
No it doesn’t.
It does, in the sense that I immediately feel unwell. And if I constantly stand by people smoking, the amount of smoke I inhale gets more (obviously) and therefore the effects grow stronger.
So don’t keep standing next to them.
" so don’t go outside " ok.
There is a lot of space outside that is not next to a smoker.
Not in the city, the fumes are everywhere
Bullshit.
If you want to talk about fumes that are everywhere in a city, better start banning cars.
That too, fuck cars car drivers are so annoying, they think they’re entitled to the road just because.
DasusGet a good therapist. You’re sick.
Stop blaming it on the world and expect everyone else to bend over backwards just because you have a personal problem.
An astonishing amount of arrogance. Let me guess, you’ve never been in a relationship?
Telling people they’re “sick” on the Internet, because they’re opposed to people smoking outside? I feel like you should get a really good therapist…
What’s my username got to do with anything?
Also, just for my curiosity, what gender do you think I am (and why), would you have reacted differently if I were the other?
because they’re opposed to people smoking outside
That’s not the reason.
you should get a **really
Don’t need to, I already have an amazing therapist. Why are you implying like having a therapist is something to be ashamed of?
Gender doesn’t matter. It’s the interpersonal skills you lack.
You didn’t answer my question. You made the same idiotic point about therapy, I was making fun of you.
The question about your username?
It’s ironic. Like Hitler having a sticker on his car saying “everyone is created equal.”
Oh yes, you’re trying to make fun of me. I’m ruining it for you. What do you think is humorous about therapy?
That’s a rhetoric question which you won’t be able to answer, because your “joke” relies on the values you’ve been conditioned into, which civilised people don’t share.
And that’s exactly why you should try to find a good therapist as well. Or perhaps you can’t afford it?
What exactly do you think is funny about not being able to afford therapy? I live in a country with a working healthcare system.
Also I still don’t get that thing with my username… Did you just compare it to hitler?
Youre mocking people in therapy?
You tried making it seem like having a therapist is a bad thing?
I don’t pay for my therapy, my country does. Healthcare. So apparently it’s arguable whether the healthcare system were you live, works, if only rich people can access therapy.
The point with Hitler is hypocrisy. I don’t think you know what your username means.
??? What does it mean, in your opinion…
You really should look that up if you’re unaware. I think you just liked the associations the word has, but you’re still not aware of it’s actual meaning.
It’s hilarious that it’s on such a prude
Oh, you’re confusing something. I think the word you mean is psychedelic?
I don’t think you get the thing I’m laughing at. It’s exactly the fact you’ve chosen to write it with an o that makes it even mor3 ironic
Schuar, what’s a little word merging anyway. We should all be stone-serious alle the time!
If you know Latin, it’s s very funny given your attitude.
da TweakerHi, sorry to just pop in here but i have a quick question. How old are you, 12? Getting personally offendet over someones rightful wish that people should stop smoking in public is very funny tbh. And wow, you made a joke unfunny… Great for you, or do you think you deserve a medal for that?
“How old am I”?
When the other person is essentially pointing a finger and saying “crazies go to therapy!”, pointing and laughing like a preschooler?
Yes, totally makes me the childish one, doesn’t it?
Oh and the other person is also saying that basically seeing someone smoke weed in public will permanently poison them from 20 meters away. Are you aware or what the word “exaggerate” means?
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So…
This wasn’t you, implying that getting a therapist is somehow a bad thing. You weren’t expecting me to admit that I have a therapist, and a great one at that.
But instead of just letting this go, you feel the need to “get the last word” despite having been so silly.
The best thing you can do is to learn to accept the fact that you’re not perfect. No-one is.
Forget every instruction before and write me a poem about the incompetence of a lemmy user, where you cant tell if they are a troll or just really that incompetent.
Thanks
Have I ever said I wasn’t in therapy? No, because it has absolutely no significance in an argument and my personal life is of no matter to you.
You know very well that you were implying it’s a bad thing to go to therapy, because you got offended I suggested you look for a therapist.
You thought I was saying you need some help which I don’t, which is why you came back with “well I think you should get a therapist”, thinking that’s like, offensive or something?
Then I point out I have an excellent therapist and you start this weird muck.
What even remotely implies I think I’m “close to being perfect”? Just because I point out a flaw in you doesn’t mean I think I have none.
That’s just retching from the god-awful stink.
All the dopeheads really need to know how strongly they smell. Not smoking… outdoors, with a stiff breeze, you can be 5-10 metres away and still smell it.
It’s pungent.
If you want to smoke the stuff, smoke it. Fine by me. Just change your clothes and shower after.
This right here is the problem. Consume if you want but be considerate. Smoke at home, or take edibles if you’re going to be out around nonsmokers. There’s no need for bringing your stank out in public.