Dark patterns killed my wife’s Windows 11 installation

Last night, my wife looks up from her computer, troubled. She tells me she can't log into her computer running Windows 11, as every time she enters the PIN code to her account, the login screen throws up a cryptic error: "Your credentials could not be verified". She's using the correct PIN code, so that surely isn't it. We opt

https://www.osnews.com/story/143376/dark-patterns-killed-my-wifes-windows-11-installation/

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Dark patterns killed my wife’s Windows 11 installation – OSnews

@osnews "No sane person would go this deep to try and fix this problem."
Absolutely agreed.
Which is why and how when my mother had the same problem for logging into her Windows computer, I happily gave her a mac I had.
Problem solved.
And thank you Microsoft for finally making my mother switch: couldn't have done it without you.
@osnews I read this as windows 11 killed my wife, and I was like how unlucky are they though I would totally believe it...
@osnews I am not even going to try upgrading from win10 to win11. I will upgrade to Linux and extend my middle finger at MS.
@thomastraynor @osnews we did that at the weekend, four of the family's computers now run Linux Mint. Cannot recommend enough.
@cadellin @osnews we use Mx here. I had the win10 laptop for software that I needed for taxes, and I won't need that next year as they offer a web app now.
@osnews Wow! Maybe this will get people off Windows. But I feel for the many who don't know anything else and don't really have the resources to go to something else. I know how much easier Linux is, but I had help, and some know how. Not much but more than some. We should be teaching basic computer skills in school, and not Windows. This company isn't in the business of providing a tool for you to use, nor a skill you will likely need in your future.
@osnews you opt, aaand?
@GayValiant @osnews …press the link in the post and read the full article.

@osnews A lot of people rightly criticize Linux and BSD for being unintuitive or user unfriendly.

I desperately want those people to read this article and then promptly STFU.

@osnews
MS's position: it's not your computer, it's theirs.
And they don't care about you or their computer.
@osnews and people say *linux* is complicated, christ...
@osnews So much time wasted, so much stress caused, and the potential for life-threatening timing of failures. All because Idiots.
@osnews hold on, one of the big OSes can’t login with a full disk? If you get write access to their disk, you can look them out so thoroughly that most sane people will format their computer rather than figure out what the hell happened?
You know what happens when I fill my root partition? Tab-completion breaks. This is crazy.

@osnews "Windows 11 is a travesty, a loose collection of dark patterns and incompetence, run by people who have zero interest in lovingly crafting an operating system they can be proud of. "

  Perfectly put

@Taco_lad That article is astonishing... And yet, knowing how much they force OneDrive onto users, I am so very unsurprised
@stufromoz fucking garbage everywhere

@Taco_lad @osnews

Uh, has Windows *ever* been a lovingly crafted operating system that Microsoft can *justifiably* be proud of?

@benfell I think this stopped at about Windows 7. @Taco_lad @osnews
@benfell to add to this:
8 sucked because they were stupid enough to think they could force touch onto everyone (not going to happen in Enterprise)
9 they skipped because they were too lazy to fix version detection code from Windows9*
10 was where they hit the steep part of the curve of their descent into insanity with ads and garbage
11 was them pushing through the bottom of the universe with a centred menu, copilot, AI in notepad and Recall.
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@benfell @Taco_lad @osnews I thought their work o the Metro interface and the (failed) attempt to clean up the massive amount of technical debt they accumulated in special one-off wizards and interfaces by Win7 (which they accumulated by ignoring the UX and maintenance of all the different tools which underly everything, which were stuck in Win31 in some cases, and just adding more code in a teetering pile on top), shipping a new conhost, new Terminal with OpenSSH and WSLg were steps bringing their OS up to par with MacOS and Linux for IT professionals, shipping twice a year feature updates on Win10 bringing the development process in line with the cadence Ubuntu and Fedora established rather than the 2-5y between updates of the past. Oh and throwing away Internet Explorer and develing Edge from scratch with a new renderer, bringing another major player into the web ecosystem. a Phone UI that people seemed to actually like that tried new things like how the used horizontal scrolling in a novel way. All of these things showed that _someone_ cared and was willing to greenlight projects to fix things.

They built up some goodwill and have pissed it away by being absolutely trash, with ads shoved into the OS and browser, lack of attention to detail, new features that work less well than what they replace, shoving LLMs into places where they don't belong, pointless, thoughtless UI changes just to juice some developers KPI, just the overall hostility where the OS is trying to squeeze revenue from you more than help you (like a bicycle), like pushing people into OneDrive for data redundancy instead of the local backups from Win7 (which doesn't generate MRR).

I'm sure there are a few people who care, you might run into thm on the Fediverse, but they are being drowned by executives and staff who are just trying to make money any way possible

@benfell Windows for Workgroups was quite reasonable for its time. And Windows 95 was a good move forward given that they were starting from there. And some of the other stuff they did around that time was at least well meaning if a bit misguided: NT, Access, etc. After that, nope.

@Taco_lad @osnews

@benfell @Taco_lad @osnews NT 4.0 is a good candidate, but that was a long time ago.
@osnews Windows has always been a toy OS.
@osnews if Microsoft thought they could get away with it they would make you log into OneDrive every hour of every day and if you didn't it would cut access to all of them, call the authorities, and make you change the password even though you did that already
@osnews That's fucked, but also, the accessibility hack to get root is hilarious.
@osnews I wonder how linux handles a full disk. I think I have seen gnome just not wanting ton start any applications. Or the login session starting and then just going back to the login screen.

@gunstick @osnews

Yeah this could happen on Linux but without dark patterns creating the issues on their own

@gunstick @osnews

UNIX reserves a small amount of space for root. Once a disk is something like 95% full, only root can write files. This means you always have enough space to log in and fix things.

@david_chisnall @osnews if you got an ubutu derivative, there is no root password. So you need to login via a normal user. Which defeats the whole root reserve space system. Thanks Canonical! 😡
@osnews wow.... Didn't know about that utilman.exe trick, so much for security....

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I’m a bit confused about how this can happen. By default (unless something significant has changed in the two years since I was last forced to touch a Windows machine), OneDrive doesn’t download things by default. Files appear in Explorer, but aren’t downloaded unless you access them, unless you explicitly tell it to keep copies of specific folders or files local.

@david_chisnall @osnews I think OneDrive synces all files automatically with default settings. So sync starts when you log in to the system. At least this is how it worked couple of years ago
@fr0zi @david_chisnall @osnews I don't know if Microsoft made some changes but on all my PCs and phones OneDrive doesn't download the files automatically, only if I open them (probably to avoid the problem Thom had: a drive smaller than the online space)
On phones by default uploads only when connected to wifi and charging. Also there are banners on Android and an icon in the Windows tray showing when the app synchronize: no way it would get unnoticed on my devices. Something odd happened here.
@zbrando @david_chisnall @osnews Ah, I see. Maybe my memory is not that good 🙂

@fr0zi @david_chisnall @osnews I don’t believe recent versions eagerly *download* at all; they show virtual files on your system (metadata), but you have to be online for the actual transfer to take placed.

I take some of Thom’s points — including: Windows should handle storage issues more gracefully — but some of this story doesn’t pass the smell test.

@osnews if you didn't realise it was one drive, you would have reinstalled the PC only for it the fill up again. Back to square one.
@osnews This is horrible. I would never be able to fix it, like they did.
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Holy shit! This sounds brutal! Its like microsoft is testing how far it can go with their users.