656: A Long T-Shirt
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The iPhone event! Reactions and analysis of the iPhone 17, 17 Pro, and Air; the Apple Watch Series 11, SE 3, and Ultra 3; and the AirPods Pro 3.

@atpfm I think you guys are too easy on Apple with respect to how they talk about the cameras. "Optical quality" and using the term "lens" for digital zoom ratios is veering *very* close to deceptive, IMHO. As nerds we can read between the lines, but normal people won't.
@sharding @atpfm @marcoarment On the other hand, normal people are the ones pinch-to-zooming in the Camera app to 20x and taking "photos" that are a blurry, pixelated mess, and have been for more than a decade, so… it might be argued that nerds are the only ones who care.
@stillmoms @sharding @atpfm @marcoarment This. If people like the pictures they take, who gives a damn about the specs used to take them.
@davidbcohen @stillmoms @sharding @atpfm @marcoarment so specs can just be gibberish as long as the device works? That’s not a good take. But I think they’re trying to say it’s not a digital zoom, which seems fair? But it does seem gray - how do SLR makers define how an APS-C crop works on a full frame?

@yertle @stillmoms @sharding @atpfm @marcoarment That’s a hyperbolic take on what I said - obviously there has to be *some* rational substance behind their improvement claims.

But the second half of your reply proves the point - these cameras are so different in how they work compared to conventional cameras that direct comparisons are hard to make, and may not be meaningful. APS-C and glass won’t fit in your pocket either - different tools for different needs.