Alice Averlong🏳️⚧️this stupid USB drive doesn't work if you jam it into the ethernet port on accident
yet. note to self: make a flash drive that you plug into the ethernet port.
I've already got some of the parts I'd need to make this, thanks to my ongoing "ethernet keyboard" project
that one is currently on hold thanks to my roommate's new terminal having a broken "M" key
(I loaned her the last PS/2 keyboard I have on hand)
how do you think things are going in the alternate universe where instead of USB, we standardized on ethernet?
external peripherals plug in over ethernet, and just communicate over tcp/ip. usb hubs? you just use ethernet hubs. you recharge your phone and laptop and ebook over PoE.
There's PoE powerbanks and many people keep them in their purse/bag
wyatti still prefer SCSI daisy chaining and termination power
ely@foone
I like the PoE > USB C thingies
I like the PoE > USB C thingies
Ben Stokman@foone At least it's easier to know the orientation of the port.
Also data transmission would just use the physical layer, MAYBE link layer. No reason to go TCP/IP.
Rudi (ryjelsum)@benjistokman @foone the tcp/ip support is for your convenience
Botch Frivarg@foone would probably require some kind of mini (or even micro) ethernet plug. And in a universe like that wifi would be used a bit less.
DianeThey're on the RJ-ultramicro connector because apple is still obsessed with thin.
Dan W@alienghic @foone
You can’t get smaller than non-existent.
That is what BTLE and WiFi 7 are (supposed to be) all about!
grawity@foone two things immediately spring to mind:
- all peripherals breaking on corporate workstations because one of the three different mandatory cybersecurity agents now has a firewall rule that blocks the HID-over-TCP port and nobody approved the exception.
(...like when ESET Antivirus at <workplace/> started blocking RDP by default after a version update,)
- all peripherals breaking on someone's linux box when said someone decides that ipv6.disable=1 is a good idea to set permanently "because I don't use ipv6"
Luuk@foone In replaying the Mega Man Battle Network series, I was reminded that according to MMBN6, all the “jack in” ports operate over IR, so you can bounce a signal off mirrors to a port, if you need another cursed alternate reality. It does contradict the way it’s treated in the rest of the series, though, which honestly feels more like your Universal Ethernet world.
@Novyx oh the universe where we standardized on IrDA is a deeply cursed one
@foone Might as well give it one more try though, right? Maybe increasing the level of cursed-ness would bring the rest of reality back in line.
@foone Also minor correction, I just remembered it was in 5, not 6. 6 is the one that shows a real map of the world that contradicts the fictional world map from 4. Fun connection there is that 2 was both the first game that showed “Electopia” to be a weird Europe/America combo as it appears in that map in 4, and showed a wireless jack-in adapter that really doesn’t make sense if it’s using IR for the ports, unless they have IR to RF adapters.
StarkRG@foone PPPoeSATA
b_rawr.tar.xz@foone rj45, both the socket and the plug, is so physically fragile. we'd have to standardise on something more resilient and the world would be a happier place
Elvith Ma'for
bryan allir@foone That may also be the universe where Al Gore won the 2000 US presidential election. Gore is associated with the Internet so it makes sense people would be inspired to create all internet everything. He's also associated with fighting climate change through his movie, "An Inconvenient Truth") so in addition to standardizing on Ethernet, they probably would have had fewer climate catastrophes than we've had.
@helchacam so, fun fact: one of my short story universes has a dimension which is the "al gore was president" one and they have serial ports on everything, because they standardized on rs232
Henning Paul DC4HP@foone No, they would communicate over NetBEUI.
@hennichodernich good point, right
Benjamin Reed@hennichodernich @foone I would post the obi wan gif but this goes beyond “name I’ve not heard in a long time” straight into“abrupt almost-painful physical sensation of remembering a thing long forgotten”
m.c. C-27733 [lily] 
miss @foone : that implies a rotatable 8P8C variant
Raven667
Frenshape@foone It might be going better if they'd used something other than 10Base5 with vampire taps
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe@foone goddammit the tab broke on my power bank again
Thepi@foone The printers don't work, computers keep 'malfunctioning' because someone put a pile of things on a discarded-but-still-connected wireless keyboard, and security is an absolute unworkable bloody nightmare.
In short, it's business as usual.
In short, it's business as usual.
64kb@foone probably keep finding the little clips where they have snapped off.
fedops 💙💛@foone if nothing else we would have proper locking connectors instead of this friction fit BS. That alone would make it worth it.
Ignas Kiela@foone ethernet is, uhh, comparatively expensive for small stuff
though I could see it happening now with 10mbps single pair short range ethernet (it's simple enough that you could bit-bang it on a micro assuming you have GPIO fitting the requirements (1.2V, proper differential input/output), and if the GPIO isn't up to it, seems like there's gonna be simple 'transciever' chips that turn simple signals into what the physical layer expects)
though I could see it happening now with 10mbps single pair short range ethernet (it's simple enough that you could bit-bang it on a micro assuming you have GPIO fitting the requirements (1.2V, proper differential input/output), and if the GPIO isn't up to it, seems like there's gonna be simple 'transciever' chips that turn simple signals into what the physical layer expects)
Gabe@foone RFC 1606 has some related thoughts.
Jos Dingjan@foone Psssh, given PoE and EoP, at home we’ve rationalised and now have PoP and EoE, depending on the order of plugging the various doodads in.
Trammell Hudson@foone some automotive systems have gone all-in on 48V PoE for their communication bus. too bad the connectors are so chonky.
Simon Brooke
Aslak Raanes@simon_brooke @th @foone Those are Teslas «standard»? https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/blog/standardizing-automotive-connectivity
Do I loathe Musk sufficiently to make me avoid an electrical connection standard promoted by his companies?
Tricky.
Empterdose@simon_brooke @th's alt text helpfully identifies these as Tesla's. A reverse image search brings up https://www.tesla.com/blog/standardizing-automotive-connectivity, which names them as LVCS connectors. I haven't quickly found any for direct consumer purchase, though.
One of the problems with fancy connectors like these is that they often require special tooling for assembling the connector. Even if you can get your hands on some of the connectors, you probably won't be able to put them together to spec. Formally meeting spec doesn't matter at all for a tractor, but you might also end up with fragile electrical connections, etc.
Searching AliExpress (again, this IS a tractor we're talking about) for “automotive connector” brings up a few neat-looking results, including some kits with both plugs and sockets, AND suitable (albeit knock-off) crimping tools. Maybe something there will fit the bill?
@MrDOS @th Aye, I have some connectors which I'm planning to fit. But connectors designed for 12 volt are very small and fiddly, while these look as thought they're chunkier! The tractor is more than sixty years old, and its original wiring harness had no connectors. I rewired it once about ten years ago, but the lack of modularity in that harness makes disassembling the tractor for maintenance work awkwardly difficult, so I want to do it again with connectors I can easily unplug.
@simon_brooke Beautiful beastie! Faced with the same problem, I'd probably reach for XT60 connectors first; but I suspect those are the ones you're currently finding small and fiddly.
I suppose another problem with high-current, low-voltage connectors might be that many of them will be engineered with modern automotive, quadcopter, or RC car applications, meaning plastic/non-conductive frames in mind, and so many of them won't be available in a 1-conductor variant.
R@foone ask @azonenberg, he's a well-known ethernet liker
still annoyed at the lack of a standardized ethernet (serdes types) alt mode for USB-C though
Andrew Zonenberg
Erin 💽✨@r @foone @azonenberg XFI alt mode (SFP+, I2C monitoring over SBU, still get 1 lane each way of USB3).
@foone the amount of thinking I had to do to convince myself this would actually be worse than USB-C is a little concerning
inamruzui@foone a drive that runs a ftp server over it's port
Vx. Princess "size_t queen" Grace 
@foone didn't they used to make hard drives with ethernet jacks on them
That but with a male-to-male adapter
alyx (dual-stack)@BestGirlGrace @foone seagate kinetic! they didn't exactly have ethernet ports on them, but they plugged into a backplane and speak ethernet
i've had the seagate "ST4000NK001" in my ebay saved searches for years and haven't gotten any hits :(
@BestGirlGrace @foone WAIT THERE'S SOME UP NOW
WHY DIDN'T I GET A HIT https://www.ebay.com/itm/196397134533
@foone Need a USB-C to Ethernet adapter so you can connect anything through the Ethernet port. Like a little Ethernet mitten.
Ben Hutchings
Raptor 
@foone make it two sided and have the other side be rj45 serial.
Armando@foone Uhoh. Actually, I‘d love to have a small PXE, Samba, NFS dongle with Ethernet. Yes, can be double the size of a usb Stick but I would really love it.