bsky is a lot newer and has x10 times the users of fedi.
Atproto is decentralised, and if you tell me it isnt please explain wafrn

@gabboman @jwildeboer

There is a difference between the protocol enabling decentralization and decentralization actually happening in practice. atproto is designed to be decentralized (well, with the exception of did:plc); the question of course naturally arises whether it is getting used that way or not. Clearly, *at the level of where user data is stored*, that is not currently how the vast majority of its deployment has been done in practice. This very well could change, and the protocol is (again, with the exception of did:plc) designed to facilitate that change. Will it change? I don't know, let's watch and see; that's what the site is for.

But I also want to say that being new and big is actually a potential impediment to atproto becoming more decentralized. Most systems *tend* to trend towards more centralization, and network effects *tend* to keep people in the places where lots of other people are. So, while atproto is *designed* to permit decentralization that does not guarantee that it will *happen*, and starting as one big ecosystem controlled by a single entity makes it *less likely* that it will achieve meaningful decentralization. There are people trying, though - blacksky being the clearest example. Is this the start of an inflection point where more communities spring up and migrate off the centralized infrastructure? Maybe! Maybe not! Let's watch - that's what the site is for.

I was gona say smugly something about matrix but actualy matrix has the same problem.

yet everyone calls it fucking decentralized.