Mastodawn

Banned from Lefty Memes for not agreeing with the complexity of Stalin *having* to ally with Hitler to invade Poland.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52771657

Banned from Lefty Memes for not agreeing with the complexity of Stalin having to ally with Hitler to invade Poland. - Divisions by zero

Apparently I’m now a shitlib for not buying into this disgusting tankie propaganda that it was all the Wests fault and Stalin had to ally with Hitler. For a mod who loves to ban others for bad jacketing, they sure have no problem doing it to other anarchists. The Ban: [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/2582c55b-d28a-45e1-8723-52a159f0ae20.webp] The Context: [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/0b660c79-5faa-4669-89bd-639987323941.webp]

Denjin Sep 7, 2025

I love how all tankie defense boils down to “dO yOuR OwN ReSeArCh”

Lemvi Sep 7, 2025

They are to exhausted by all their research to form proper arguments. 🙂‍↕️

mkwt Sep 7, 2025

Where “your own research” means “Cowbee’s research.”

hypnicjerk Sep 7, 2025

agree blindly with our threadbare propaganda or you’re a sheep!!!

lazynooblet Sep 7, 2025

What is cowbee? Google isn’t helping

RaivoKulli Sep 7, 2025

An infamous tankie on Lemmy

Taleya Sep 8, 2025

A blatherer whose every response seems to involve trying to get someone to read a book that i’m starting to suspect they wrote, or are actually a fourteen year old who read their first thing that Spoke to them.

Juice Sep 9, 2025

Cowbee did not write Blackshirts and Reds. Lol

Juice Sep 9, 2025

Def the funniest part of the post

A_norny_mousse Sep 7, 2025

Wish it was only tankies. But with them, there’s the additional implication that all aspects of Soviet history are public knowledge, and if you do not know these things that alone makes you a …

LibertyLizard Sep 7, 2025

My experience with these people is that they are extremely selectively informed about Soviet history. So ironically they are actually quite ignorant on the topic, but they expect only their very specific cherry-picked facts and interpretations to be well understood by everyone, but none of the context or intervening events that might paint the USSR as anything other than the most benevolent organization in all of history.

A_norny_mousse Sep 7, 2025

True. You’re probably closer than me.

ArxCyberwolf Sep 7, 2025

They’re too used to banning dissent from their online spaces that they don’t have a clue how to actually make an argument that holds any water or without resorting to bad faith tactics. Their arguments never hold up to scrutiny.

Clent Sep 8, 2025

Tankies need their safe space for same reasons as Nazis.

ScrooLewse Sep 9, 2025

Damn that sounds a lot like MAGA

ArxCyberwolf Sep 9, 2025

Tankies and MAGA have more similarities than differences. The only real distinction is which authoritarians they worship.

Justas🇱🇹Sep 7, 2025

I did my own research and it disagrees with tankies’ conclusions. Now what?

T00l_shed Sep 7, 2025

Then you’ve been brainwashed with western propaganda is they’re their usual go to

ArxCyberwolf Sep 8, 2025

And also they’re Russophobic, Sinophobic, a total shitlib, and most of all, banned for Rule 1 and 2 (having a dissenting opinion)

Justas🇱🇹Sep 8, 2025

I was raised and educated by people who grew up in USSR. If it was a paradise like tankies claim, those people would know.

Taleya Sep 8, 2025

Yeah they really don’t seem to realise that this is a thing in living memory. As in there are people who walk among them who were actually alive when the USSR existed.

Taleya Sep 8, 2025

Now you’re a banned shitlib!

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

There was way more nuance to the situation. The moderator linked a good summary of the false equivalence, as well as the extra context.

you showed up to be like: “fucked up, tankie defending Nazi alliance” as if history began and ended in 1939.

YDI, I can see how you ended up a ‘world news’ moderator though

A_norny_mousse Sep 7, 2025

When I first registered for the Lemmiverse (not too long ago) I almost chose lemmy.ml but somehow Mali did not seem the best fit for me.

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

I’m here because I figured it would be the fastest to deploy updates to the software

A_norny_mousse Sep 7, 2025

Mali?

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

Because it’s the server run by the developers?

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

Please move to russia or NK. You tankies enjoying western civ while shouting down at how evil we are, is rich.

The USSR killed millions even after the war, it was a shit place with dictators leading it. They were no better than the nazis. Stop rewriting history.

masquenox Sep 7, 2025

Just because we dunk on tankies here doesn’t mean we approve of white… oops, sorry, I meant to say “western” - civilisation.

Okay?

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

Western civ like it or not has pulled more people out of poverty than any other civ in human history. It’s hella flawed and it requires guidance to grow and get better but that’s the whole damn point of a civilization.

You, anarchist, seem to think societies are going to magically swap over to hippie communities and everyone will share everything and be happy to not work ever again. It’s like you assume a home can be built without a foundation. I honestly don’t understand how it’s popular to people over the age of 18.

masquenox Sep 7, 2025

Western civ like it or not

Yeah, all the shantytowns around these parts with sewage floating through the streets attests to that wonderful statement of yours.

get better but that’s the whole damn point of a civilization.

Your precious white… oops, sorry, meant to say “western” again… civilisation has had hundreds of years to stop being a laboratory for horror and deprivation - at this point, it’s perfectly clear that all this is the point.

It’s like you assume a home can be built without a foundation

Not like you, huh? With your fancy foundation built on millions of corpses?

I honestly don’t understand how it’s popular to people over the age of 18.

Because not everybody over the age of 18 automatically degenerates into a spineless bootlicker - must be news to you, huh?

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

Every society has its horrors. People suck and people who don’t usually aren’t gravitated towards power.

Please explain how anarchist would magically make those who want to lead for power less likely to do so?

masquenox Sep 7, 2025

Every society has its horrors.

Not a valid defence - neither does it distract from your ludicrously false statements.

Please explain

What makes you think anyone here owes a colonialism apologist any kind of explanation?

SupraMario Sep 8, 2025

Lol yea that’s the excuse. No one owes our little bullshit plan for society an explanation. Move somewhere else please, just leave Western society since it’s sooooo bad.

masquenox Sep 8, 2025

Lol yea that’s the excuse.

It’s not an excuse, it’s a question. It’s fine… don’t answer it - you ducking and diving it is all the answer we have ever needed.

If you don’t want to answer that, perhaps try answering this one - how long do you think it’ll take before people forget about the “west’s” latest genocide over there in Gaza?

SupraMario Sep 8, 2025

I asked you the question, and you dodged it with a bullshit whataboutism. Because you can’t answer it.

You really think that a collapse of western civ will stop wars and death and make the world a more peaceful place? You must be huffing something really strong to believe that.

When do you think china will stop the genocide of the Uyghurs?

People are protesting and being arrested trying to stop the gaza genocide and it’s in the news constantly. I don’t think it’ll stop being an issue for a good while. Israel is a state that should never have been built.

Now that I’ve answered your question, answer mine.

masquenox Sep 8, 2025

I asked you the question,

No… you demanded an explanation that you don’t deserve. And you still don’t deserve it.

Colonialism apologists don’t get to demand anything here.

western civ will stop wars and death

Is that the best defense of white supremacism you can manage? “If we didn’t do it, somebody else would have?”

Where did you get that? PragerU?

Israel is a state that should never have been built.

So now your “if we didn’t do it, somebody else would have” schtick doesn’t apply, eh?

So what about the white supremacist states that taught those Zionists the means and methods of “western civilisation,” eh? The same white supremacist states that continue to fund Israel’s genocide to the hilt?

Should THEY have been built?

SupraMario Sep 8, 2025

No… you demanded an explanation that you don’t deserve. And you still don’t deserve it.

Lol so yea you don’t have an answer because as typical you live in a little bubble that wouldn’t ever work. Got it.

Colonialism apologists don’t get to demand anything here.

Yea totally an apologist for…what? I’ve called out all the horror every country everywhere has done…

Is that the best defense of white supremacism you can manage? “If we didn’t do it, somebody else would have?”

The fuck are you on about? First off… I’m not white. Secondly trying to conflate colonialism with white is dumb as fuck. You do realize that multiple ethnicities have done horrific shit to others right?

You gonna fit in there about Japan in WWII? Or China today? Or do those not count cause they’re not west and white?

Where did you get that? PragerU?

Lol you really don’t know who you’re even arguing with.

So now your “if we didn’t do it, somebody else would have” schtick doesn’t apply, eh?

Lol how did you even come to that conclusion.

So what about the white supremacist states that taught those Zionists the means and methods of “western civilisation,” eh? The same white supremacist states that continue to fund Israel’s genocide to the hilt?

Lol you don’t even know the history of fucking Israel lol

Should THEY have been built?

Ah more “I’m 18 and this is deep”.

Kid, one day you might grow up and realize that not everyone will magically get along with a hippie commune

masquenox Sep 8, 2025

Lol so yea

Which part of…

Colonialism apologists don’t get to demand anything here.

…didn’t you understand the first time around?

Yea totally an apologist for…what?

This you?

Western civ like it or not has pulled more people out of poverty

I could have sworn that was you, doing apologism for white - oops, sorry, meant to say “western” again - civilisation right there.

I’m not white.

So, again… is that the best defense of white supremacism you can manage? “If we didn’t do it, somebody else would have?”

Ah more

So white supremacist genocide is not okay as long as it’s only Israel doing it?

SupraMario Sep 8, 2025

Lol you must really be a teenager…listen kid when you do finally get out into the big world, you’re going to realize not everyone is out to get you, and that people just want to survive. Not everything is a white supremacy conspiracy.

masquenox Sep 9, 2025

So, just for the record - this was YOU…

Western civ like it or not has pulled more people out of poverty

…blatantly performing apologetics for white supremacism, correct?

You aren’t claiming that somebody put words in your mouth or hacked your account or blaming autocorrect?

SupraMario Sep 9, 2025

Lol that’s not being apologetic, that’s literally the truth. You literally cannot back up any shit you have said because you think everyone who isn’t some anarchist is magically a white apologist for capitalism. No where in any of my posts have I said the system is perfect. No where in any of my posts said it doesn’t need improvement.

But your entire argument has been to deflect questions, and babble about white supremacy…

If you’re unable to refute my points and answer my questions then we’re done here. I’m getting bored arguing with someone who lives in a western society and thinks it and it’s people are white supremacists. That’s childish and shows why no one takes you seriously.

masquenox Sep 9, 2025

Soooo, just for the record - this is YOU…

Lol that’s not being apologetic, that’s literally the truth.

…doubling down on your blatant apologetics for white supremacism?

yucandu Sep 7, 2025

Someone tell Japan they’re white now.

masquenox Sep 7, 2025

Hey, don’t slam it… Jewish people became “white enough” for the west as soon as they started slaughtering brown people - which proves that anyone with enough genocidal intent can reach those lofty heights!

hypnicjerk Sep 7, 2025

tankie punks fuck off

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

I’m actually an anarchist, but you’re gonna use whatever pejorative makes you comfortable

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

You just like to say you are. You’re anti-ukraine and from russia. You put up more tankie posts and anti-dem posts than anything critical of the repubs.

You’re a tankie.

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

The reason I am often pissed at the democrats is due to how bad they are at actually opposing the republicans.

You’re just a ‘team blue’ maga type

Warl0k3 Sep 7, 2025

You’re just a ‘team blue’ maga type

What does that mean, exactly?

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

What does ‘team blue’ maga mean?

The guy I was responding to has in this very thread said:

In response to criticism of ‘the west’: ‘you don’t like it? leave’

Please move to russia or NK. You tankies enjoying western civ while shouting down at how evil we are, is rich.

That’s like something I would unironically hear from a republican

Upholding ‘western civilization’ because capitalism somehow lifts people out of poverty, again this could easily come from a maga republican, this person just happens to be on team blue.

Western civ like it or not has pulled more people out of poverty than any other civ in human history

For me ‘blue maga’ are the people who are western chauvinists but act like they’re above it all because they voted for ‘the good guys’ running the soul harvester.

It’s sure not an explanation for how the public record of your actions (and oft expressed opinons) appears to wildly differ from the values you’re claiming to hold…

Is being an anarchist somehow contingent on passing a geopolitical opinion litmus test? I organize with anarchists, I shit on the russian government all the fucking time for being a capitalist shithole. I shit on the US government all the fucking time for being a capitalist shithole. I happen to have ended up living in the US due to the various political upheavals in mine (and my parents) lifetimes. As a result I tend to criticize the US more directly as I am not a fan of my taxes getting turned into dead children abroad.

prole Sep 7, 2025

It means, “If I say this, you can safely ignore anything else I have to say”

yucandu Sep 7, 2025

I wish we could just ignore these people, but disinformation is contagious.

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

Lol you clearly don’t know me, scan through my posts and see if you think I’m blue maga or whatever the fuck. I fall more on the social libertarian side than anything else. I’m very critical of the dems, but I’m not also a fucking idiot who thinks that the fascist shit pile we currently have is somehow the same as the dems by any means. The dems haven’t gone full fascist… it’s pretty clear they’d also not be destroying the US or harming it’s allies…and would be supporting Ukraine. Something you clearly are against…so to me you’re a tankie who sides with maga and fascist.

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

Palestine is not a race, and Islam is %100 transphobic and the main religion practiced there (98% of the population).

“I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”

Palestine would wipe Israel and every jew off the planet if they had the ability to. Not saying what Israel is doing is right, but acting like the other side is without fault is disingenuous.

Yeah you’re pretty much what I would categorize as blue maga, chauvinist, racist, but team red ‘disgusts’ you. Clearly team blue would be managing the empire better so that it could stay ‘great’

The Palestinian activists fighting for LGBTQ+ rights against a neverending backdrop of war - Lemmy.World

Lemmy

Warl0k3 Sep 7, 2025

“I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”

Not to shine too bright a light on this, but you kinda have a habit of finding a single sentence that out-of-context supports your position and then jumping the gun by citing it. Did you read the immediately previous sentence, where they provide that quote as a clarification of their pro-palestine position and then go on to repeatedly defend Palestinian lives and decry the actions of Israel despite their (Palestinian) religion’s general stance on the LGBTQ+ or other political and social issues?

You don’t label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they’re a certain race or gender. So no you’re statement is blatantly false.

Honestly I don’t know how well I’d get along with SupraMario - But this is beside that issue: it’s aggravating as heck to see these comments. You’re clearly intelligent, but you’re just too eager to respond and it keeps making you look foolish. If you’d just slow down a little and get the context in which things are said, you’d be a much more persuasive advocate for your beliefs.

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

the original comment they responded to in that thread was this:

Israel is probably the nr. 1 murderer of trans people in the world right now. Get your priorities straight.

moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.

‘Israel’ and its US accomplices are the #1 murderer of trans people in the world right now, statistically speaking.

SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position. Maybe they actually don’t like seeing US taxes get turned into dead children, but considering how strongly they feel that the west is best I’m not holding out hope.

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

Says the person literally doing a “but Ukraine, Nazis” so russia ok to kill and take over Ukraine.

Diva (she/her)Sep 7, 2025

I’m actually opposed to all inter-capitalist conflicts. Ukraine may have a bunch of Nazi gangs running wild, but I don’t think it’s ‘ok’ to invade. It just gets more people killed and the situation spirals out of anyone’s control. I can understand the rationale, but there’s also other motivations.

got any more thoughts to share about anarchists, or maybe thoughts about NATO destroying Libya or US invading Iraq?

SupraMario Sep 7, 2025

I can understand the rationale, but there’s also other motivations.

Lol what the fuck