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RivalarrivalSo twice as long between new phones, what sort of monster are you! Expecting the poor multinationals to build a phone for you and not have its effective lifespan artificially limited by the compromised battery solutions is basically communism, or socialism or woke.
<<insert phone company>> loves you and only wants what’s best for you, it’s supper distressing to <<insert phone company>> that they put so much into the relationship and you are so cold and dismissive of them. You should go and buy a <<insert new full retail price product>> to make it up to them.
I was skeptical about this splitter but it bought and tried it and it actually works. Tried on Sony Xperia (which doesn’t need one 😅) and Galaxy Tab. Maybe not as comfortable as having two dedicated built-in ports but still.
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You don’t really know the meaning of objective do you?
Look at the thread for “objective” reasons people want the jack.
The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds
Not objectively. There are plenty of problems with Bluetooth headphones. If you don’t do anything “serious” with audio it’s not a problem.
But:
- Audio quality is worse (mathematical fact)
- Latency is high
- So high it’s impossible to make music / play beats via Bluetooth
- Packets drop due to external interference
All of this can be solved with USBC audio but that’s not wireless of course.
- Audio quality is worse (mathematical fact) I cannot tell the difference
- Latency is high I cannot tell, even when gaming Packets drop due to external interference
Only had an issue once in a busy airport, otherwise not an issue for me.
Yeah like I said in my original comment, if you don’t do anything serious with audio then it doesn’t matter. However if you do, then it matters and BT just simply isn’t good enough.
Apple themselves even admit this. If you open up Logic on iPad (a digital audio workstation made by apple) it warns you that using Bluetooth is going to suck.
Edit: Also worth pointing out my original comment isn’t about analog headphones jacks Vs Bluetooth it’s about wired vs Bluetooth. USB C is fine in terms of the complaints I’m making about BT.
This is a confusing question.
You need low latency to produce music on any device.
I don’t think many people are making the next top 40 single with nothing but a phone.
That being said there are plenty of high quality music making apps on phones and tablets. Apple’s Logic Pro and Koala Sampler come to mind. Even if it won’t handle the full production, is a great way to get started when inspiration hits.
There is also an entire class of synthesizer / modeller that can ONLY really be played on a touchscreen (see GeoShred).
It’s also (IMO) a bit gatekeepy to suggest that good music can’t be made on the simplest of equipment. There are so many absolutely fire tracks that have been made on nothing but a pirated copy of FL studio and a school laptop. Before that it was a tape recorder in the bathroom.
I was more so focusing on the overall user experience, so including the ease of use and the convenience of not having to fight with a cable. I definitely agree that Bluetooth earbuds aren’t perfect. They have their issues. But I feel like for the general user, they objectively offer an improved experience. 90 or 95% of people can’t hear the difference between wired and wireless earbuds. If you don’t care about audio quality then I feel like it has objectively more upsides than it has downsides. As people mentioned about cars and the like, there are instances where having a headphone jack is necessary, but I feel like the number of cases where this issue is unavoidable and is a real problem for people is so minuscule that it’s not worth it for the companies to bother.
I mean, in the end, I personally don’t care if a phone has a headphone jack. It’s not like I wouldn’t buy it because it has one. I was more so triggered by the people constantly screaming at every phone for not having a headphone jack, when in reality it’s not important for most people.
UnityDeviceThey largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.
When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren’t like that, and then did the same thing.
You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn’t work you’d think “that’s shitty” and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you’d notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you’d remember that they’re just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.
And that’s how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.
Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.
Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.
For the car, I use a tunai firefly ldac, it’s an incredibly simple and reliable device.
They’re fairly cheap at ~35$, and can be reused if you change cars. I ended up using mine to make my home stereo system wireless after my last car was replaced.
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Ah, cool, I figured there must be a device out there. Sadly it doesn’t help me directly, as I’m already using a cassette adapter just to get up to a 3.5mm jack. Still bookmarking this though, never know when I’ll need it. Thanks!
You can get a splitter and/or dock to get there, but obviously it’s not as nice as built in
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bluetooth draining my phone faster
Bluetooth was specifically designed to be very low power. With a bluetooth headphone there is a battery in the headphone to power the amplifier and provide the energy to move the speaker diaphragm. With passive (wired) headphones, this has to be powered by your phone.
Do you really think that a phone that has to directly drive the speakers in a headphone uses less power than a phone that only has to power the bluetooth transmitter?
I love wired headphones, but I wouldn’t ever drive them directly from my phone. Especially higher end headphones are more difficult to drive anyway, so I use a (wired) external DAC/amp with it’s own internal battery for using my wired headphones.
AceFuzzLordUp until I got an amazing pair of bluetooth headphones I would also fall under the loud minority. I still want the option on any device I own, but I haven’t been using wired ones much outside of things like my Sega Genesis.
Definitely agree the loud minority feels overrepresented, but I’m personally siding with them.
tomenzggI haven’t been using wired ones much outside of things like my Sega Genesis
At first, I was like, “…How did I never know it has one of those?” until I realized I have a model 2.
I still use a wired headphone.
You can’t beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.
For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.
Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.
I don’t know any who offer weeks or continuous usage. I do know there’s a few with battery life of 30-100 hours (that’s a wide range yes) but that’s just a few days to a week and half in terms of endurance.
If you aren’t a heavy user, 3-4 hours a day, it can definitely last you for more than a couple of weeks
Not sure why, but BT experiences interference when in my pocket. The signal gets choppy when sections of my torso get in the way. Which is always when my phone is in my pocket. So I got USBC headphones/dongle.
On a bike ride, I noticed the audio was starting to disconnect. This happens often on rides and runs since the USBC plug sticks out a lot from the port and slowly wiggles loose. Except this time it wasn’t loose. The leverage of the long plug on the short connector damaged the port. This never would have happened with a headphone jack. It has a strong connection that can rotate freely. Now I have a phone that can’t charge or play music.
My next phone will be a sony xperia some they still have the jack and still allow the bootloader to be unlocked.
I’ve had this issue for years across at least 3 different phones, and probably 4 different sets of headphones. Mix of buds and over ears. Different brands.
I don’t experience it much anymore, so I suspect its been fixed in more recent versions of Bluetooth.
No pace maker, no prosthetics, and I’m average weight. The Bluetooth tech was just half baked when it came out. Better now but I can still replicate the issue with older headphones.
I also experienced it a lot when walking around busy areas. Might be exacerbated by other nearby devices. No idea, but the point I’m trying to make is that removing the headphone jack from devices meant many people had to deal with this shit with no good alternative for years while the tech caught up
This never would have happened with a headphone jack.
I call shenanigans on this statement. This exact scenario with a 3.5 mm would have seen the copper inside the connector break from stress. As someone who went through the evolution of Walkman, discman and mp5 players, I can’t count the amount of wires I destroyed just having them in my pocket when walking or riding. Even high end woven wires and shit, end up failing due to mechanical stress. It is just entropy. I’ve had more headphones in my life than I can recall, but somehow BT headphones have lasted me 3 years, more than any of the cheap wired headphones of the past. Only my expensive sannheisers have lived longer and that’s partially due to the fact they have detachable wires. So I can change them when they start to wear.
Okay, “never would have happened” is an exaggerated statement. But you’re talking about the headphone wires breaking. I’m talking about the USBC port on the phone itself breaking. I’ve never had a headphone jack PORT break. But Ive had 2 phones USBC ports fail from pressure on the plug.
I would much rather have the wire on headphones fail instead of the port on the device itself.
If only there was some sort of technology we could use to completely avoid any risk of mechanical wear and tear from either the port or the wires!
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I absolutely hate wired headphones. It always get tangled, breaks or otherwise gets fucked up. I now have an Audeze Maxwell headphone and as a backup to their dongle, The LDAC bluetoooth codec combined with Qobuz Hifi sound is perfect for me.
Never missed the 3,5mm port.
The only thing in not loving is the planned obsolecense of most battery Bluetooth headsets.
(I do recognise and respect others for wanting the 3,5mm port, of course. To each their own preferred way of strangling themselves when listening to audio I guess)