Sometime in your life, you might encounter an entitled insufferable controlling and abusive busybody, who has to intrude with overly judgmental accusations and deranged attempts to punish you over simple disagreements or nothing at all

There's a number of ways to deal with them

Some terrible, some ok...

Some spectacular:

😂

@benroyce now that's one hell of a smooth criminal

@benroyce I've found that behaving exactly as if they're not even there - as if they're both invisible and inaudible - also works, pushing their anger over the threshold past which it collapses into futile exasperation.

I've only once encountered a full-fledged Karen in the wild, and simply ignored her. Admittedly this was partly because I just didn't have the spoons that day for an argument, but it worked a treat!

@ApostateEnglishman

that's one good way. the important thing is to *never* match their energy. they're irrationally angry. if you respond with anger it becomes a farcical bonfire of inanity, or something worse

@benroyce I think it depends on how good a snap judge of character you are. There are definitely some folks who'll be so surprised by your matching and/or exceeding their energy, they'll instantly back down.

But generally speaking you're right: it's a better bet to stay calm and rational with those who are angry and irrational.

@ApostateEnglishman

or satirically irrational in a whole other direction like this guy 😂

@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce

I think some comedian once suggested engaging with these Ka*ens but with totally different issue/argument.

"You broke the law"

"GIVE ME BACK MY JACKET!"

I've never tried it, but I'm partly interested to.

@benroyce
I love him!
But unfortunately I can't understand what _she_ said. He broke a law by doing _what_?

@populistensohn

i linked to the original source of the video in this comment:

https://mastodon.social/@benroyce/115009792126441235

it happened in seattle last year and the indication (from anonymous accounts, so not 100% certain and i can't find a news source) is that this woman and her husband are a menace to anyone who goes near their houseboat

@benroyce
the link seems broken. There is a cute elephant ranting his PC, which is really sweet, I didn't see it before, but...
@benroyce
But I get a grasp now: She accused him of walking on a private way (to their houseboat presumably).
I really love how he reacts! I can feel I have it in me as well, so I'll try to be ready for my first Karen!

@benroyce @populistensohn a close friend lived in a floating home in Seattle for some years. They did have a problem with people going out of their way to walk down their (dead end) dock, staring into everyone's homes. They called them 'looky-loos' and it wasn't allowed but folks invaded their privacy all the time anyway

So if it's that situation? I kinda get it. If it's a through way/the signs aren't clear/he turned right around and left without being nosey? Fair reaction.

@noodlemaz @populistensohn

yeah for all we know this guy did do something inconsiderate. i would tend to think no, only because someone of such demonstrated emotional intelligence would also not be the kind of person to transgress like that, but that is a highly speculative statement on my part

@benroyce good reaction, people is made so inflexible and judgemental by stress and unhappiness. 🥲

@LorenzoAncora

we're all miserable to some extent

the entitlement to dump that on others though... 🙄

@benroyce it isn't entitlmenet, but a mental issue: the pandemic of loneliness can erode some people's self-control and the only solution is reestablishing a rich, serene social life. She needs to live in a better environment to get back healthy.

Do you feel miserable very often?

@LorenzoAncora

everyone is miserable to some degree. that's just life. frustration is normal

how we deal with it is the question

and putting personal frustration onto others is not acceptable

it would be nice if we had a magic wand to provide the solution you cite. but that's not possible. every fleeting interaction is not a scenario where the attacked person is responsible for the attacker's frustration

rather it's the responsibility of insufferable assholes to not be insufferable assholes

@benroyce
Beat crazy with crazy 🤪
@_maleficentgirl this guy didn't just beat her crazy, he made it a whole masterclass in acting

@benroyce

Lol, I wanna send this guy into a town hall our local GOP congressperson is *finally* having: "OMG, you're not even answering our questions, OMG you're so stupid!!!"

@benroyce I love how the dog looks at the person filming as if to say "I'm not with her"

@afewbugs

the dogs are completely used to this

which is kind of sad

@benroyce @afewbugs

Their first mother was also a ... er ... female dog.

@benroyce I've known lots of people called Karen and they've all been lovely.

I wish people would start to use the word "cunt" if that's what they really mean

@djstreethawk

same, as to "karen"

as to c***, i know elsewhere like australia it's practically a term of endearment

but the word wouldn't fly in the usa though

@benroyce lmao. You gotta love the #Ozzie's
Same deal your mate might call your mate that British pub....

But wtf Americans?
Effectively calling everyone called #karen a cunt because it's less offensive than actually calling a cunt a cunt?!
It's not like they've a shortage of other words.

What a bunch of fannies ;)

@djstreethawk @benroyce I don't have an opinion on whether "Karen" should be renamed, but it is often used in relation to racial violence, especially given it took off after the bird watcher incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)

So I don't think it's synonymous with the c word.

Karen (slang) - Wikipedia

@benroyce Dog is like, Jeez, this is the third time today someone's done this to Mummy

@h4nd

no barking, no growling, no wagging tails, no excitement... this is their life 😵‍💫

@benroyce love this pup staring down the barrel of the camera. "She does this all the time! Sorry!"

@benroyce

Notably, the Karen had nothing more to say...😜

@rgulick

that's the best part. he completely shut her down. she was completely baffled by the reaction, because the absurdity of the reaction perfectly distilled her own absurdity

@benroyce
That, and I think at some point she may have become concerned for her own safety if she pressed the issue.

@rgulick

she wasn't in any danger. the guy was completely in control of his over the top performance

but you are correct that from the accusatory asshole's point of view- because they lack the emotional intelligence, they might view themselves under a dire threat

which is an interesting commentary on the fabulousness of his response- maybe not so fabulous if the accusatory asshole got even more upset. luckily in this scenario she was just utterly confused by his reaction

@benroyce and the oscar goes to that man: 🏆 🤣

Genuine question: why the censored karen word? Is it considered an insult?

@benroyce That dog looks so embarrassed, I can't believe she would put them in that situation 😅

@hyperlinkyourheart

worse, the dogs look like they are used to this as a daily occurrence

@benroyce Seems like something Bugs Bunny would do! 👍

I believe it was Dear Abby who once offered similar advice to a man who had unintentionally jostled a woman who went ballistic. No matter how much he apologized, she wasn't having it. Abby suggested the next time sincere apologies don't work, to try apologizing as hysterically as the other party is behaving. "I'M 😭 SOOOOOO 😭 SORRRRRR-EEEEEEEE!!!"

@benroyce I had almost this exact k*ren interaction once about 15 years (minus the epic sarcastic freakout, which is a serious missed opportunity).

It was also a man and the dock was not actually private. The guy just claimed it was private because he felt entitled to do so for some reason. He also left his house to follow us to the dock and just walked around right next to us for about 15 mins occasionally repeating his initial claim.

25% of Americans are absolute freaks.

@djsf

"i am entitled to make deranged accusations of fabricated transgressions"

🤦

@benroyce The American Pastime (it's not baseball anymore)
@benroyce someone should arrest this man for his brutal slaying in broad daylight
@benroyce We should all do this at least once a day.

@heafnerj

no!

if i'm encountering someone like this once a day i'm moving!

😱

@benroyce A while back (I think my daughter was 7 at the time) someone came to our house and informed us that she and her friends had been climbing on the big bank of USPS locking mailboxes at the other end of the street, and that it was a federal offense to tamper with Postal Service equipment. This person had the tone of someone who was doing us a huge favor because she could have just had our child packed off to prison. I was raised in New England, so I did the New England thing of saying "Oh, okay" with a completely flat affect and ending the interaction, not really processing anything I'd just heard. Spouse, however, turned to our daughter and said, loud enough for everyone to hear, "That woman is angry and ridiculous and full of shit, and if she EVER approaches you again, you come tell me immediately."

@eedly

Oh, okay

(/s)

🤭

(nutmegger here born and raised)