What things that are legal today could become illegal in 50 years?

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What things that are legal today could become illegal in 50 years? - sh.itjust.works

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Certain food additives.
I would hope being rich, but I’m not counting on it.
Being poor is already pretty illegal with no signs of changing
Encryption. For the poors, that is.

Well okay then, use steganography.

Secure Space Encryptor (paranoiaworks.mobi) is one that I know and they have source code published, although I personally don’t understand coding so I can’t guarantee how secure it is, but its been out for like a decade and I haven’t heard anything bad about it, and its on F-Droid.

They won’t know you are secretly sending an encoded “ATTACK AT DAWN” message hidden inside the cute cat photo. (I mean unless they just shut down the entire communications infrastructure and even ban mailing stuff, which is unfeasible because of the economy)

Paranoia Works Encryption Software

Home page of the Secret Space Encryptor for Android, Paranoia Text Encryption for iOS (iPhone/iPad/iPod), Paranoia Text Encryption for PC, S.S.E. File Encryptor for PC.

They’ll use ai to do pattern matches on available data to assassinate leaders of dissent or those capable of organizing resistance. Knowledge of encryption is uncommon enough of a population to be an acceptable cost.
It still sounds so insane. Imagine it being illegal for us two to share some public keys. It’s like banning fundamental maths
That already exists in one setting, the field of nuclear weapons design. See born secret.
Born secret - Wikipedia

Driving your own car.

But not in a good way. You’re expected to just die.

Disagree on the last part. They want to erode ownership. Driving will be a subscription of some sort.

Poors will be priced out by insurance companies. A large auto manufacturer, probably Tesla will buy one of the enormous insurers and start by offering lower rates for self-driving. Many will sign up and the standard startup playbook will follow. Personal vehicles will become luxury items and then you will be required to subscribe.

I wonder what the poor right will say when they don’t own their car anymore?maybe they will have f350 self-driving trucks too and it’ll be ok.

I’m hesitant to call what they are doing owning anyway, re: their trucks. Most people who drive those idiotic money pits are so far underwater on their loans I only have pity for them. I know people who have taken out 8 year loans on 70-80 thousand dollar trucks. Loans so high in interest and so long that they probably will never pay it off - to me the bank owns it 100%. I think most of them will gladly hand over their ownership if they can still feel “manly” by pretending their huge truck makes up for their own masculinity issues.
It’s insane how much trucks have skyrocketed in price! My wife’s job occasionally needs a truck so we had considered one as our second vehicle years ago and ended up figuring it was cheaper to own a car counting total cost of ownership unless we used the bed/hitch more than 3 times a week and that was at 40-50k… it’s like they’re allergic to money.
That’s my big thing. They always claim they need a truck to do truck things, but the vast amount of truck beds I see are empty. I don’t own a truck, but still need to do truck things sometimes. When I do I pay around 40 bucks to rent one for the day, do all my truck things, then return it. Idk, maybe I’m crazy but I’ve spent maybe a few hundred doing that, that seems like a better deal than 80k

I’ll counter argue! Felt the same about these monster Barbie trucks here in the South. Working Lowe’s for a few months changed my mind a bit.

Guys would pull in with these monsters hauling a trailer. And we would load hella rocks and boards. Laughed with the customer and lumber guy one night, “You gonna need to come back for the rest tomorrow!”

But still, I get it. My wife’s Outback has a trailer hitch and I’m not afraid of pulling on it. Towed my boat home with a Mitsubishi Eclipse. Used to ride with the top down and a load of lumber in the back!

Exactly! When we gamed out the cost, it was almost double for the loan. Oil changes cost double (there’s your $40 every 3-6months), and the parts were vastly more expensive. So we only pulled even renting a truck a 3x a week. At 80k I’d need to be pulling something daily more than 10 miles 7 days a week to beat the cost of renting a vehicle.

Nevermind there’s basically nothing I can buy that can’t be delivered from say Home Depot without me needing a truck.

Same, same. Even with high delivery fees it’s still worth just paying them vs buying a truck. Unless you need lumber delivered daily, then it doesn’t matter.
I off-road camp do bees hunt and I’m only me why would I want a second vehicle. The stuff I do can be messy and hard to clean especially the bees. Are you going to see my box empty probably doesn’t mean it isn’t used and also doesn’t mean I don’t use my truck for other things. A car can’t do.
Okay, still as other people said, unless you literally carry things 4+ times a day financially it doesn’t make sense to buy a new truck, so that hasn’t changed.
Dumping junk in space

Well that might be the case, with the tiniest nag that in order to get into space one has to be very rich.

So even if it’s illegal it would still be done. And no one would bet an eye.

With current developments it’s becoming surprisingly cheap to launch your own satellite into space.

Still way too expensive for your average joe to do without the intention of somehow turning a profit, but significantly cheaper than buying a house, with the price trending downwards

Liberty and privacy. And it will take way less than 50 years.
A lot of activity on the Internet
The Right to Read - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

Dissent against the government.
Already illegal here in the uk to protest climate change.
Or protest against genocide

…in that you can go to prison for expressing support for proscribed terrorist organisations as determined in UK law, and “Palestine Action” recently became one of them. For the avoidance of doubt, I tell you this purely for information and warning purposes only, and to help you, if you’re British, avoid ending up in prison for expressing support for the proscribed organisation “Palestine Action”.

Also to be clear: personally, I don’t know much about that organisation beyond what’s clear from their name and that they recently became proscribed.

Don’t for a minute think that that doesn’t include anonymously online. It absolutely does include what you write on the internet. It also includes (with lesser sentences) wearing clothing that supports a proscribed organisation or posting a picture of such clothing online or in print.

Historically there never was a right to free speech in the UK, although that changed somewhat with the introduction of the European Convention on Human Rights (which we helped draft post war and which has been extended since), but it is definitely illegal in the UK to express support in any way, including online, for proscribed terrorist organisations.

You can read more about the 84 proscribed organisations and sentences of up to 14 years in prison here: gov.uk/…/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisat…

The list includes organisations assessed by the UK government as terrorists, such as a lot of Islamist organisations, some far right groups and a handful of separatist movements.

Offenses include being reckless as to whether you might encourage others to support a proscribed organisation. So be careful about what you say and how you say it. Consider carefully whether you might encourage support for a proscribed organisation and don’t do that.

Proscribed terrorist groups or organisations

GOV.UK
Fun fact: if the website you’re visiting includes a free font hosted by Google, the website and page you were accessing are sent to Google alongside your IP address. Google assert that they don’t use that data to personalise your ads, but they don’t mention not using it for other purposes as far as I recall, and Google also dropped their “Don’t be evil” motto. At first I found that funny (who proposes that in a meeting and how do you come to agree to drop not being evil?!), but increasingly I realise that it wasn’t just an absurd decision but a serious policy shift.

Fun fact: if the website you’re visiting includes a free font hosted by Google, the website and page you were accessing are sent to Google alongside your IP address.

Are you sure about this? Do you have proof? Working as an SEO for ten years I never heard this. A user asks the website to load a page which is on the website’s host servers (maybe Amazon, maybe private, etc).

The website would use JS to make a call to google’s servers and ask for the resources to load the font and then handshake, etc and load the font. There should be no reason to send the accessing user’s data to Google for the web font because it should all be done from the host’s servers to request the font and load it and then it displays that to the user. It’s not like the user needs to load the font, the host does.

Maybe there’s something I’m missing and never learned though, so if you can provide documentation for me to read then I would greatly appreciate it.

Are you sure about this? Do you have proof?

When Google explains in their privacy policy that their Fonts API collects your browsing data, I believe them. Without proof.

https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq/privacy

When I embed Google Fonts in my website via the Google Fonts Web API, what data does Google receive from my website visitors?

When end users visit a website that embeds Google Fonts, their browsers send HTTP requests to the Google Fonts Web API. The Google Fonts Web API serves the Google Fonts Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) and subsequently the font files specified in the CSS to the users. Such HTTP requests include
(1) the IP address used by the respective user to access the Internet,
(2) the requested URL on the Google server, and
(3) HTTP headers including the user agent describing the website visitors’ Internet browser and operating system versions as well as the referer (i.e. the webpage on which the Google font is to be displayed).

Privacy and Data Collection  |  Google Fonts  |  Google for Developers

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Interesting. Thank you! I’ve never looked this far into fonts because I never thought about that.

That really is a load of bullshit. They should only be collecting, since they are going to collect, the data for the requesting API entity if they really need that info. It would at least protect the end user but make sense for understand why a certain page is requesting their font.

Unlocking your bootloader
🇪🇺 By October it will be illegal to view porn with an unlocked bootloader
Modifying most things (cars, android ROMs, PCs, etc.) It is right now to an extent but it will probably get worse.

Positive: ecocide universally accepted as criminal and backed up with meaningfully disincentivising penalties

Negative: being remotely off grid in any way. Probably a symptom of me being British, but I fully expect there to be a point where we’re required to be constantly tracked (location, what you consume, what you see, etc) in real time and it’ll become a crime to evade it.

Positive: ecocide universally accepted as criminal and backed up with meaningfully disincentivising penalties

I hope so. But I find it hard to believe that enough world leaders are clean to get that thru. So much of what is weird in the news today makes perfect sense if I add these words to the end of the headline: “after a coke binge”.

All the above, but probably in 5 years.

Civillian use of Drones.

I’m very certain there’s gonna be a 9/11-like terrorist attack involving drones and then governments all around the world are gonna get extremely paranoid and just ban it unless you get a special permit that only big corporations can get.

I’m honestly surprised we haven’t seen an assassination by drone from a nonstate actor yet. It’s cheap, would subvert many of the protections aimed at stopping shooters, and security likely wouldn’t react in time or have the equipment to effectively stop it.
We don’t have the clearance. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I’m honestly surprised we haven’t seen an assassination by drone from a nonstate actor yet.

There was the 2018 Caracas drone attack. Though that one is somewhat muddy in whether it actually was an assassination attempt or a false-flag attack done by the government itself.

2018 Caracas drone attack - Wikipedia

That is interesting. I bet it was a legitimate attack, but the government’s attempt to cover up their embarrassment (particularly the fleeing “guard”) has muddied the water, as any cover-up will do. I must have missed that one at the time.
Literally anything given that time period
“The year is 2075. Yesterday was the day the last legal thing became illegal. And what was the last legal thing, you ask? The answer is obvious in retrospect. It was law itself.”
Not “everything”. Anything.
fingers crossed for child marriage becoming illegal (and in less than 50 years. the sooner the better)
Emulators. There's a crack down that continues to happen as old systems become streaming services.
Being trans, wait you said 50 years not 0.5? Haha lol we’re so fucked

Nah we’ll win

We got this, and we got eachother.

Don’t be silly. The concept of being trans is a relatively new thing, by historical timelines. Fuck me, older black grandparents lived “Whites only” signs. I’ve seen them.

F@g bashing was a legit sport when I was a teen. Jump dudes coming out of gay bars? Boys will be boys! And no one objected. What are you, a f@g?

Two steps forwards, one step back. Rinse and repeat.

And we ALL have to fight. Men had to fight to the death for labor rights, now they got a holiday, though we’ve forgotten what it was about.

Fighting might mean your personal extinction. Pick a fucking side, pick up a rifle, be there when you’re needed and train. I train.

That pic of me is not a fucking uniform. It’s not a “cool guy” pose. (But you gotta admit, it’s a great pic!) It’s actually ME, working to learn clothing and weather and arms and tool belts and ammo and whatever fucking works in the field. I strap on my AR and pistol, run and jump and sweat and shoot while shaking like a fucking leaf. It takes hard work and sweat. If anyone is on the fence about getting armed and trained, best time to plant a tree is now.

Gonna let the red hats have a monopoly on violence? Nah. Not me. As for me and my house, we serve John Browning (Gun nerd joke, apologies. TWO WORLD WARS!)

I should note; Had hell finding a pic of “liberal armed protestors”. Pic I found, meh, those guys aren’t looking too “practical”, let alone “tactical”. Didn’t used to be hard to find such pics. Huh. Make of that what you will.

Final note if one wants to get strapped: PRACTICE IN ALL CONDITIONS. The slightest discomfort gets magnified 10x over a very short period of time when the going gets rough.

(Sorry OP, just venting.)

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The concept of being trans is a relatively new thing, by historical timelines.

The historical record for what we would now call transgender people goes back over 4,000 to Ancient Babylon. And that’s just the written historical record.

Ancient Mesopotamian Transgender and Non-Binary Identities - by Morg Daniels

There is evidence of complex gender identities in Ancient Mesopotamia, particularly in the cult of the goddess Inanna and her priests.

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Democracy was also an old concept. But democracy didn’t get popularized until very recently.

Ah fuck, I knew someone would be around to pick on that.

Trans rights in Western culture is a new thing we gotta fight for. Fuck me, gay rights is a relatively new thing we still gotta fight for. Didn’t read my post? Were you not around when gay marriage was a sticking point? Like, 15-years ago? I know goddamned well the concept has existed since we were monkeys.

Your comment is a perfect example of why conservatives hate holier-than-thou liberals. Pick up a rifle or STFU.

The concept of being trans is a relatively new thing, by historical timelines

Maybe edit the wording in the post to clarify that instead of writing this response.

I can’t edit my posts. Asked around and no one is sure why. Browser doesn’t matter, it’s my account!

Sorry, but the attitudes you expressed have directly hurt the trans community in recent years. Hell, in the recent Skremetti case that saw the erosion of trans rights, even the liberal justices were completely ignorant about just how far back in time trans people go. The idea that trans people are a new phenomenon is directly harmful to our rights and safety.

Look, fine if you want to LARP as an armed defender of freedom. But ultimately you’re just playing dress up. You may style yourself a defender of the rights of minorities, but you’re giving advice that is only applicable to someone in your position. 2nd Amendment rights effectively do not exist for members of many minority groups. What you’re allowed to get away with because you’re a middle aged cis white guy will result in members of other groups getting immediately shot by police.

Say fucking what?! LGBT people have been a major gun purchasing demographic since Trump 1.0. Didn’t get the memo? /r/liberalgunowners was flooded with gay and trans folks asking for advice on purchases and training and safety. That’s anecdotal, feel free to find sources on your own. Such articles and stats are an all-you-can-eat buffet.

And yeah, I got privilege, shitloads of it. I know this, so do not fucking dare come at me like I’m sheltered! If I can use that privilege to support the less privileged I’ll do so, with out without your permission. Two seconds after Florida legalizes open-carry, I will be at the protests with a slung AR and my .45 on my belt. Don’t want to do it yourself? I’m 100% fine with that, would not ask that of anyone else. But if we’re at the same event, expect the police to act as a polite peace-keeping force, because of me and people like me.

Yes, being armed in the face of opposition can certainly result in getting killed. They’re going to kill LGBT folks as is. Guessing you weren’t around for the onset of the AIDS epidemic? They purposefully let that shit run buck wild, did nothing, because it was a “gay disease”. If you want to curl up in a ball for fear of your life, get on the trains and beat the rush.

Some of you people are so goddamned insufferable you turn away your own allies, the very people who would stand with you. Always looking for a fight, always looking for ideological purity. Well fuck you in particular, you will not turn me away from human rights.