r҉ustic cy͠be̸rpu̵nk🤠🤖Jul 31, 2025
Learning how to #Perl
Show threadekariJul 31, 2025
@cypnk The best example of write only language I've encountered 
Show threadBill RickerAug 1, 2025

@ekari @cypnk
having used most of them (I missed Snowball/Icon some how?), I'd have to agree. Tho' i have some lingering affection for APL/J and FORTH, I'm not /doing/ anything with _them_.

Readable literate Perl is at least possible (and is required in the surviving large Perl shops).

Show threadekariAug 1, 2025

@BRicker @cypnk I must clarify that I haven't written a line of Perl in 20+ years. But I do remember, that it always felt easier to start from scratch than to decipher something already written. TIMTOWTDI wasn't great.

With Python everything became simpler.

Show threadBill RickerAug 1, 2025

@ekari @cypnk

Yes, those of us still in #Perl world are those who valued TIMTOWTDI.

20 years ago, there was indeed a lot of Perl that wasn't very extensible.
Things have changed (in part because the people writing bad Perl left).

Show threadekariAug 1, 2025

@BRicker @cypnk Ouch, I took a hit! 😅

Hmm. Maybe I should take a peek at a modern Perl project. Any suggestions?

Show threadBernard Quatermass

@ekari @BRicker @cypnk I’ll toot my own horn at this point. My current sysadmin utility, built on a whole set of my other crimes. Classes all the way down.

https://code.quatermass.co.uk/toolsmith/perl-App-IPSetMgr

perl-App-IPSetMgr

General IP Set Manager

Code From The Pit
Aug 2, 2025 at 2:27pmWeb
Show threadBill RickerAug 2, 2025
@QuatermassTools
Sounds useful, but either you're down for maintenance or using a blocklist that keeps rotating ISP IPs listed too long?
Show threadBernard QuatermassAug 2, 2025

@BRicker yup, it’s got a list of 800000 subnets from AI crawlers gathered during a fairly heavy attack back in February, one of the reasons for writing the tool in the first place.

I should be able to clear down the list, probably tomorrow and rebuild now the tool can be used in anger.