@darkphoenix
Well at least in Germany the host isn't being directly exposed as federal pages are hosted by ITZBund, a pblic agency. Sure they might contract out servers instead of running their own but the stuff is at least behind their own AS so it's hard to tell. I would hope some more sensitive stuff runs internally.

Same for my federal state Saxony where sites are handled by the "Staatsbetrieb Saechsische Informatik Dienste" (with their own AS)
@aurora

@nyovaya @aurora "just"

at the top of the chain there is always fucking Mastercard and Visa.

you can't switch very well.

@nyovaya

Because most of us pay with cards (credit / debit), the (biggest) 2 issuers of said cards are Visa and Master.
If those 2 say they won't be processing payments, you have probably no other way to get payments from 90% of your audience.

You might use some other ways of paying, but it's mostly done through payment card, therefore we are back at those 2 f*** companies.
You could transfer money to other way of payment, but then you have to add step to your purchase and even this makes lot of people go away and don't bother.

Also those other ways of payment might get under same pressure not to process payments for some stuff, because they might loose possibility people will transfer money from Visa/Master cards to this other payment processors.

Sorry, it's complicated, I hope I made it little bit clearer?

@aurora