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GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline.

The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service:

https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509

Voice to Text feature using Open AI

Thank you a lot for your positive and supporting comments about our new /e/OS Voice-to-text! Regarding its implementation in /e/OS, I’d like to explain a few things to explain why we have chosen an OpenAI STT API to implement it and how it’s going to evolve in the future: What we have learned from our experimentations with STT models that run locally on the smartphone for speech recognition: they work quite poorly, they make a lot of mistakes in voice recognition they are not able to mix la...

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GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

/e/OS is heavily marketed as private but in reality it has enormous privacy issues like this with their default apps and services. It's also heavily marketed as avoiding Google services but yet has privileged integration for Google services and connects to multiple by default.

GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

/e/OS doesn't keep up with basic privacy or security patches for the OS or browser engine used not only for the default browser but also the WebView used by many apps including email clients and far more for rendering web-based content. For more info see https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private.

Devices lacking standard privacy/security patches and protections aren't private - GrapheneOS Discussion Forum

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GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

/e/OS is not a threat to mass surveillance but rather significantly helps with it by making exploiting devices to extract data or take remote control over them far easier. They do not keep up with basic High and Critical severity patches. All devices sold by Murena are insecure.

GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

Even on Pixels, /e/OS is extremely far behind on providing the current High and Critical severity privacy and security patches due to being so far behind on OS updates. They mislead users by setting a fake security patch level and changing the UI to mask what's happening.

GrapheneOS Jul 19, 2025

Murena is a for-profit company and /e/OS is very clearly built and managed for the benefit of Murena. Despite this, /e/OS receives a huge amount of EU government funding. If you're an EU taxpayer, your money is being used to build this extraordinarily insecure and non-private OS.

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉Jul 19, 2025

@GrapheneOS Seriously, jealous of EU funding? Please. Stop kicking down to your colleagues and start kicking up to the real competitors

Monew Jul 21, 2025

@djoerd @GrapheneOS known scammers are not colleagues lmao. They’ve grifted for years and should be called out for it.

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉Jul 22, 2025

@monew @GrapheneOS I am sorry you were scammed. I can recommend a Fairphone with e/OS to prevent such events in the future. Did you know it block trackers inside Android apps and allows you to use a fake location? Pretty neat

GrapheneOS Jul 22, 2025

> Did you know it block trackers inside Android apps

All it provides is a terrible implementation of DNS-based filtering. Contrary to the false marketing, it cannot stop privacy invasive behavior by apps It blocks a small portion of client side connections to domains not used for actual functionality. Vast majority of privacy invasive behavior remains and it's trivially bypassed. RethinkDNS is a better implementation usable everywhere, but DNS-based filtering is very limited.

GrapheneOS Jul 22, 2025

> and allows you to use a fake location

This is a standard Android feature called Mock Location.

> I can recommend a Fairphone with e/OS to prevent such events in the future.

The reality is that /e/OS is an extraordinarily insecure and non-private OS being marketed as something it's not. It does not provide people with the basic Android privacy/security patches and doesn't keep the basic security model intact. Murena even sells people already end-of-life devices.

GrapheneOS Jul 22, 2025

Here's information from the founder of DivestOS:

Issues with /e/OS: https://codeberg.org/divested-mobile/divestos-website/raw/commit/c7447de50bc8fadd20a30d4cbf1dcd8cf14805a0/static/misc/e.txt

ASB update history: https://web.archive.org/web/20241231003546/https://divestos.org/pages/patch_history

Chromium update history: https://web.archive.org/web/20250119212018/https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt

Chromium update summary: https://infosec.exchange/@divested/112815308307602739

Here's an article from a privacy and security expert (Mike Kuketz) which touches on various issues including severely delayed patches, user tracking in the update client and privacy invasive default connections:

https://kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfr

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉Jul 22, 2025

@GrapheneOS @monew Take it easy, I know all this. That's no reason to call e/OS fake, misleading and misusing EU funding. I still think e/OS is a great alternative to the Apple/Google duopoly for the average person. They're on your side. Happy to try Graphene once it runs on ethical hardware like the Fairphone.

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@djoerd @monew Your claims are objectively false. /e/OS is absolutely engaging in extremely false marketing about privacy, security, updates, usability and compatibility. They've repeatedly spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and it's why we started posting about it.

/e/OS is not a safe option for anyone to use and does not offer a reasonable alternative to Apple or Google products. It is not more focused on regular people than GrapheneOS, contrary to their misleading claims about us.

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@djoerd @monew /e/OS is certainly not on our side. They aren't in the same space as GrapheneOS in the first place but rather only pretend to be as part of their marketing. They've repeatedly engaged in attacks on GrapheneOS through spreading misinformation about it and making personal attacks on our team.

> Happy to try Graphene once it runs on ethical hardware like the Fairphone.

Fairphone devices do not meet our basic hardware security and update requirements. False marketing is not ethical.

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉Jul 23, 2025

@GrapheneOS @monew https://idf.social/@djoerd/114903638819678944

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉 (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] Really? Now Fairphone is ALSO using false marketing? You're paranoid, mate! I used to be a happy FirefoxOS user. You cannot scare me with less-than-state-of-the-art hardware.

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GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@djoerd @monew Fairphone has always misrepresented the level of updates and long term support provided for their hardware. They present providing an update released in 2022 in 2025 as providing 3 more years of support than OEMs which shipped it on release day. That has never made sense. Fairphone's lags far behind on providing current OS updates with full privacy/security patches, typically a year or more. They lag 1-2 months behind on providing the partial backports to older Android releases.

@djoerd @monew Fairphone is directly participating in the false marketing by Murena for /e/OS. They present it as being far more private than it is and lead people to believe it isn't going to be using Google services and giving highly privileged access to them when it does.

Making baseless personal attacks on our team claiming we're delusional, paranoid, etc. has been repeatedly done by the founder of /e/OS and Murena. You're demonstrating how their community follows this lead.

Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉Jul 23, 2025

Ok, Fairphone is bad too. I am sorry I brought that up. Have a nice day, @GrapheneOS.

richarddebruin Jul 23, 2025

@GrapheneOS @djoerd @monew Hello @GrapheneOS, I get a little tired about all those messages. First of all @djoerd is not attacking anyone. And I understand that he say paranoid. Look at all the messages he gets back? And Fairphone is a Dutch company that creating fair phones. I think you know their story. And their phones are more fair then Pixel phones. And they are not really an OS company. Maybe graphenos should work together with Fairphone so the next phone is fair and safe?

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@richarddebruin @djoerd @monew You won't be following us for much longer so you'll be spared reading the accurate information we provide on these topics.

> First of all @djoerd is not attacking anyone.

They're promoting products in response to us with inaccurate marketing claims. They've repeatedly misrepresented our statements and made attacks on us, contrary to your claim here.

> And I understand that he say paranoid.

Part of ongoing personal targeting and harassment from /e/OS supporters.

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@richarddebruin @djoerd @monew

> Look at all the messages he gets back?

They're choosing to repeatedly reply to the posts we make on our timeline, as you are. If you don't want to have a discussion, why start a discussion? Our instance has a limit of 500 characters and that's not enough to write detailed responses so we make multiple posts. In this thread, we've made 2-3 posts (below 1500 characters) for several responses. It's quite strange to imply that somehow makes us insane or paranoid.

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@richarddebruin @djoerd @monew

> And Fairphone is a Dutch company that creating fair phones. I think you know their story. And their phones are more fair then Pixel phones.

We know for a fact that the claims about privacy, security, updates and long-term support are not accurate. Therefore, we're skeptical about other claims.

> And they are not really an OS company.

They make their own OS and are closely partnered with Murena, a company attacking GrapheneOS with misinformation for years.

GrapheneOS Jul 23, 2025

@richarddebruin @djoerd @monew

> Maybe graphenos should work together with Fairphone so the next phone is fair and safe?

Fairphone doesn't need help from us to ship Android OS updates with less delay, to avoid delays for backports to older OS versions or to provide better overall security features.

Fairphone joined in to support Murena in their attacks on GrapheneOS by misleading people with a corporate speak response not addressing what we said in response to us debunking misinformation.

richarddebruin Jul 23, 2025

@GrapheneOS @djoerd @monew pardon me? Not following you longer? I run grapheneos 🤷‍♀️