@djoerd Governments shouldn't fund building products for companies to sell for profit. We wouldn't want to be beholden to governments, particularly ones moving towards making end-to-end encryption and secure devices illegal.

/e/OS and Murena are not colleagues or competitors. /e/OS massively rolls back privacy and security rather than improving them. They heavily misrepresent what they're providing and through that are scamming people. /e/OS is nearly the direct opposite of GrapheneOS.

@froge @djoerd iPhones provide dramatically higher privacy and security than /e/OS. /e/OS is not remotely in the same space as GrapheneOS.

/e/OS handling speech-to-text by sending the audio to OpenAI without telling users vs. Apple doing the processing locally is representative of an overall comparison between them.

/e/OS fails to keep up with basic privacy/security patches for drivers, firmware, AOSP and the browser engine.

/e/OS thinks privacy only means avoiding Google services...

@djoerd @froge

> It does block trackers that are inside Android apps

All it provides is a terrible implementation of DNS-based filtering. Contrary to the false marketing, it cannot stop privacy invasive behavior by apps It blocks a small portion of client side connections to domains not used for actual functionality. Vast majority of privacy invasive behavior remains and it's trivially bypassed. RethinkDNS is a better implementation usable everywhere, but DNS-based filtering is very limited.

@djoerd @froge

> allows you to use a fake location

This is a standard Android feature called Mock Location.

> you can hide your IP address using the tor network

Nothing about using a VPN or Tor is specific to /e/OS.

> and if you insist on using cloud storage it seamlessly intgrates with nextcloud.

Not in any way specific to /e/OS.

> My Fairphone 3 with e/OS

You're using a device vulnerable to serious known remote exploits including in the cellular radio, GPS, GPU and much more.

@djoerd @froge

Here's information from the founder of DivestOS:

Issues with /e/OS: https://codeberg.org/divested-mobile/divestos-website/raw/commit/c7447de50bc8fadd20a30d4cbf1dcd8cf14805a0/static/misc/e.txt

ASB update history: https://web.archive.org/web/20241231003546/https://divestos.org/pages/patch_history

Chromium update history: https://web.archive.org/web/20250119212018/https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt

Chromium update summary: https://infosec.exchange/@divested/112815308307602739

Here's an article from a privacy and security expert (Mike Kuketz) which touches on various issues including severely delayed patches, user tracking in the update client and privacy invasive default connections:

https://kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfr

@djoerd @froge Your claims are objectively false. /e/OS is absolutely engaging in extremely false marketing about privacy, security, updates, usability and compatibility. They've repeatedly spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and it's why we started posting about it.

/e/OS is not a safe option for anyone to use and does not offer a reasonable alternative to Apple or Google products. It is not more focused on regular people than GrapheneOS, contrary to their misleading claims about us.

@djoerd @froge /e/OS is certainly not on our side. They aren't in the same space as GrapheneOS in the first place but rather only pretend to be as part of their marketing. They've repeatedly engaged in attacks on GrapheneOS through spreading misinformation about it and making personal attacks on our team.

> Happy to try Graphene once it runs on ethical hardware like the Fairphone.

Fairphone devices do not meet our basic hardware security and update requirements. False marketing is not ethical.