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salty_chief Jul 20, 2025

Yeah, no profits means no business! Down with businesses! We don’t need them for paychecks or healthcare! 🤣

Cowbee [he/they]Jul 20, 2025

Capitalism is not the only mode of production in existence. We can collectivize production and run it in a planned manner. We can’t do that all at once, but in socialism we can gradually wrest capital from the capitalists and collectively run and plan the economy.

Edit: responding to your edit, socialism is not “welfare in capitalist systems.” Your comment didn’t go over anyone’s heads, you just don’t know what socialism and capitalism are.

salty_chief Jul 20, 2025

Neither system is perfect. Pure capitalism can lead to inequality and under-provided public services, while pure socialism can stifle innovation and create inefficiency. The best-performing countries today typically combine elements of both.

So as anything in life too much of one thing can be bad. It would be nice for everyone to receive free healthcare and higher education in US. I often watch various global news networks. It is odd to see US, Canada, UK all struggling with same issues economically.

UK has 28 million people on assistance out of work. It also has 28 million people employed. So half the UK is paying to support the other half. That is wild to think about.

Canada has a housing crisis currently.

Cowbee [he/they]Jul 20, 2025

There’s no such thing as “pure capitalism” or “pure socialism.” Every socialist system has elements of private property, and every capitalist system has elements of public property. A system is capitalist if the large firms and key industries are private, and socialist if the large firms and key industries are public. This is all nonsense on your part, socialist systems have been at the peak of innovation throughout the 20th and 21st centuries.

I’m not sure why you brought up a bunch of capitalist countries failing because of issues systemic to capitalism at the end, it didn’t really help your point. Moreover, there is no “combining the best of both,” the system is determined by what is principle, meaning you can’t be both. Furthermore, I think you’re alluding to the Nordic Countries, but those are capitalist, deteriorating, and depend on imperialism like the rest of the global north.

I think you should do a bit more reading on what socialism and communism even are to begin with before trying to have discussions about them, same with capitalism.

Scandinavian Social Democratic countries, like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland, have much higher standards of living, better quality universal healthcare, and more economic, political, and social freedoms than Marxist-Leninist states have ever had. I'll need a citation for these countries deteriorating. You saying that these countries are still imperialist doesn't negate how much better they are to live in.
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@Radical_EgoCom @Cowbee @salty_chief

gray

Unfortunately, you don't understand what you're talking about. These Social Democracies (really capitalistic states with strong worker protections) still benefit from imperialism on the Global South.

The contradictions inherent to capitalism still exist within these states as well. There are proletarians and there are bourgeoisie. The cost of living within these states is rapidly increasing, and reactionary sentiment is booming because people from the (1)

@Radical_EgoCom @Cowbee @salty_chief (2) countries that these states, which you almost call utopian, have been destabilizing, are immigrating to these states en masse.

"[Scandinavian states] have much higher standards of living, better quality universal healthcare, and more economic, political, and social freedoms than Marxist-Leninist states have ever had."

What a ridiculous statement. China and the USSR went from backwater peasant countries to world superpowers in less than a century.

@Radical_EgoCom @Cowbee @salty_chief (3) Their citizens pay very little for housing, healthcare, food, transportation, and education, all without the colonization and terrorism that these Scandinavian states do.

When the proletariat is the ruling class of the state, the state will work within the proletariat's self interest, and crush bourgeois oppression.

Bourgeois democracies like these Scandinavian states only work in the interest of the bourgeoisie, and placate the proletariat.

@Radical_EgoCom @Cowbee @salty_chief (4) All states you have mentioned permit lobbying (bribing of parliamentary representatives), and they bail out large corporations in times of crisis. This is bourgeois rule. People like you are a consequence of CIA propaganda and illiteracy.

Nordic states aren't utopian or without fault. They provide a better standard of living than Marxist-Leninist states, which do provide free healthcare and housing, but the best of these things are reserved for people with higher social status like party members and their families. There's much better quality housing and healthcare for people in Nordic states than Marxist-Leninist states had/have and distributed more equally.
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Nordic citizens also have far more social, economic, and political freedoms than their ML counterparts. Life for workers and people in general is clearly better in theee Nordic countries. [END]
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@Radical_EgoCom @Cowbee @salty_chief What a baseless qualitative measurement. Please continue to be a sycophant for these states, while their cadre terrorize people in the Global South, hitlerite.