ever since i got covid in september, i've been getting knock-me-on-my-ass sick every. fucking. month. covid/flu/rsv tests have been negative each time i test, so i'm getting beaten up by common cold type shit that rarely got me before.

i never stopped masking (quality n95+), i haven't flown in nearly 2 years and avoid indoor crowds as much as i reasonably can, always prefer restaurants with outdoor seating, etc etc etc.

i don't have any long covid symptoms that i'm aware of, but the immune system reset thing is no joke. seems like mine got fucking obliterated. if anybody has tips for getting through this, i'm all ears.

#COVID #CovidIsNotOver #MaskUp #LongCovid

@lina I don't; will check with my spouse, who's much more knowledgeable about this than I am.

@lina @davep I have no idea if this would help, but my spouse and I have been using a nitric oxide nasal spray that claims to prevent viruses. We’ve used it with masking and neither of us have had COVID or any other infection over the past few years, so it may at least help with preventing other opportunistic viral infections.

https://enovid.us/pages/how-it-works

How It Works

HOW IT WORKS SaNOtize NONS is a nitric oxide nasal spray that releases a small dose of nitric oxide and is designed to kill viruses in the upper airways. SaNOtize nasal spray prevents viruses from incubating and spreading to the lungs by providing a physical and chemical barrier. It doesn’t just block viruses but actua

Enovid 4 us

@michaelgemar
@davep

EDIT: looks like the study showing efficacy for xylitol spray (mentioned below) has been retracted actually... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386653222001809

oh, i think i learned about that and xylitol nasal spray in a zine about covid risk reduction... been meaning to get my hands on some but haven't yet. i didn't know that it was claimed to help with viruses in general though. will try it out, thanks!

@michaelgemar
@davep

oh, looks like the xylitol spray study has been retracted actually

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386653222001809

@lina thanks, that's good to know

@lina so, a large % of Global North dwellers don't get enough

  • vitamin D,
  • zinc, and
  • magnesium,and lacking any of those reduces immune functioning. That's the easiest to get out of the way.

Since you're not opposed to masking, get fit tested. Maybe you need to switch models or brands or sizes.

Fit testing links:

If you test and find out your current masks are a good fit and they're a reputable make then that tells you to look at other possibilities - perhaps you're getting sick through someone in your home, who might even be getting asymptomatically but contagiously sick? If so you could take steps to breathe fresher air at home (filtration, more airflow, masking when CO2>500ppm)

When you start getting sick, there is evidence that over the counter zinc lozenges reduce "common cold" virus symptoms by a day or two. Since you're getting hit so hard, maybe they'd be more impactful?

Best of luck, I hope that helps.

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@lina https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3273967/ is literally titled "Zinc for the common cold—not if, but when"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4359576/ starts off with

A previous meta-analysis found that high dose zinc acetate lozenges reduced the duration of common colds by 42%, whereas low zinc doses had no effect

and found

Zinc acetate lozenges shortened the duration of nasal discharge by 34% (95% CI: 17% to 51%), nasal congestion by 37% (15% to 58%), sneezing by 22% (−1% to 45%), scratchy throat by 33% (8% to 59%), sore throat by 18% (−10% to 46%), hoarseness by 43% (3% to 83%), and cough by 46% (28% to 64%). Zinc lozenges shortened the duration of muscle ache by 54% (18% to 89%), but there was no difference in the duration of headache and fever.

Zinc for the common cold—not if, but when

A new meta-analysis shows that zinc supplementation can reduce the duration and severity of a cold, if it’s started early on.

PubMed Central (PMC)
@lina (1/2) It might be worth looking into histamin schock. This has been shown to be a common case among long Covid patients. Too high histamin levels can give all kinds of strange symptoms depending on where it is released, but cold like symptoms are some of the symptoms that can occur. A study (meta) has shown that the autonomous nervous system is not working correctly, and cintinues to be in a sympathetic state even then it is no longer needed.

@lina This is what he sent me:
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I have my own compilation of Long COVID resources, as part of this page:

https://blimix.dreamwidth.org/249645.html

Addenda that I haven't incorporated yet:

While my page refers only to an early, small trial of anticoagulants, some of them are now seeing more widespread use. Soluble heparin analogs are already used as a treatment for Long
COVID, due to the prevention of blood clotting and the inhibition of SARS-CoV-2 entry into epithelial cells. A new study showed that they help protect healthy cells from immune attack when
nucleocapsid protein from infected cells gets on them. As a side benefit, this could help the immune system focus more on the infected cells, reducing viral spread. (As always with blood
thinners, monitor closely for hemorrhage.)

There's a treatment I haven't looked into yet, mentioned here:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0315486#sec012
They note the parallel between LC and CFS. "Anhydrous Enol-Oxaloacetate (AEO) is a nutritional supplement which has anecdotally been reported to relieve physical and mental fatigue in
Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) and long COVID patients."

Melatonin as a treatment: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8395320/

Someone in one of my groups wrote, "Cutting out a few high histamine foods costs zero dollars. Imo, it's worth it for all post covid ppl to try a low ish histamine diet for 4 weeks and see
if it helps."

Apparently, there's immunoglobulin therapy for POTS. I haven't looked into this yet, and it doesn't seem to be common knowledge.

blimix | Treatments and preventions for Covid and long Covid

@Fishercat
a lot of good info to go through, thanks so much!

@lina That is how my ME/CFS started. I'm not saying it is the same for you, but read up on PEM (post exertional malaise) and paceing.

For me those "flu-like symptoms" come about 30 hours after cardio exercise or a night out with a lot of socializing or something else that takes a lot of energy. I tried to push through and it only got worse. More frequent. Longer time.

If it is PEM the only way forward is resting, relaxing and accepting that I now have to plan for how to use the energy I have.

@stellaria
oof. how long would the flu-like symptoms last for you?
@lina one-two weeks, like a flu.

@stellaria
well now that i'm reading about PEM and starting to look at past instances (incl the current one), this does seem to be lining up with my experience. ugh. i guess i have a lot of reading/investigating/planning to do to figure out if that's actually it and how to live with it if so.

big thanks for pointing this out for me. i knew PEM causing flu-like symptoms was a thing but hadn't read into it much and never thought to consider it as a possible cause.

@lina I wish you will find a better explanation. PEM sucks!