@celeste_42bit @elexia @schratze
mh I think we talk about different stuff. You talk about strategies and how to convince "masses" of this or that. I try to make a point about if patriotism is correct or wrong (not in a moral sense, but in a logical sense). and I come to the conclusion that its wrong.

For me thats a good enough reason to not trying to convince people of a certain kind of patriotism, because I dont want to convince people of stuff, that I think is wrong.