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Sandra de Jong ⁂Jul 5, 2025

Eigenlijk is dit stap 2. Stap 1 was er hier met mensen over kletsen en ervaringen, tips en aanmoediging horen.

Zonder jullie hier zou ik er nooit aan begonnen zijn.

#langlevemastodon #eos #fairphone #bigtech

Wouter van Maanen Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong ik wil dit ook gaan doen. Zit nog even met een te vol hoofd van andere dingen maar ik luister gretig mee naar jouw ervaringen! 🙏

Leonieke Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong Spannend!

Dirk Jan Lekkerkerker Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong
Top, succes, en loop je ergens tegenaan? Van een Iphone blijf ik af, maar van de rest .. zoek ik graag uit en maak er een blogje of video van.

Sandra de Jong ⁂Jul 5, 2025

@dirkjanl Dank! Ik geef een gil als het niet lukt.

Voor nu weet ik volgens mij wat m’n volgende stap is als de Fairphone binnen is: het stappenplan op de /e/OS site volgen voor het aanmaken van een Murena-account en het installeren van het besturingssysteem.

Hopelijk zal dat goed gaan en dan volgen daarna vooral allerlei Apple-IPhone-ecosysteem stappen.

Langzaam aan en stap voor stap.

Ruud Snelleman🍉Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong 👍🏼👍🏼 Komen je aantekeningen in een blog die vanaf hier te volgen is?

Sandra de Jong ⁂Jul 5, 2025

@ruudsnelleman Ik was eigenlijk van plan om na afloop een blog te schrijven.

Maar voor de mensen die geïnteresseerd zijn en meeleven is het misschien ook wel leuk om straks direct al een blog te starten en dat steeds aan te vullen.

En dan na afloop (hopelijk) een samenvatting te maken met stappenplan, tips en aandachtspunten :)

Marcel Bootsman Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong leuk!

richarddebruin Jul 5, 2025

@sandradejong leuk project, maar je had eigenlijk voor #grpaheneos moeten kiezen. En dus een Pixel toestel via Marktplaats moet kopen. iOS waar je nu op zit is veiliger dan /e/OS. Waarom? Zie hier: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

Comparison of Android-based Operating Systems

ThePfromtheO Jul 6, 2025

@richarddebruin @sandradejong
#GrapheneOS is safer, but it's also less #userFriendly than #eOS, AFAIK. Plus #eOS looks a little more like #iOS.

richarddebruin Jul 7, 2025

@ThePfromtheO @sandradejong less userfriendly? In what way? I used both and I think both are userfriendly.

ThePfromtheO Jul 7, 2025

@richarddebruin @sandradejong
OK then. I only said what I heard from others, since I haven't used any of them yet. But you tried them both, so I think I'll change my opinion about #GrapheneOS's user-friendliness compared to #eOS's.

Gurleen K Jul 8, 2025

@ThePfromtheO @richarddebruin @sandradejong GrapheneOS is very user-friendly. If you need to turn on Google Play Services, it is easily done by just pressing the install button on the built-in app store provided by Graphene.

@gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
OK, but why did people say it's not, then?

richarddebruin Jul 9, 2025

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @sandradejong no idea 🤷‍♂️

@richarddebruin @gkcan @sandradejong
One thing that reinforced this in my mind is its website. #eOS's for example, shows screenshots of the operating system, while #GrapheneOS's homepage only has one picture, and the rest is text. And I think you understand what kind of impression this leaves…

Sandra de Jong ⁂Jul 9, 2025

@ThePfromtheO I also felt intimidated when I saw the website of @GrapheneOS- so much text and everything looks so difficult. It feels as if it is not meant for me.

But when I look at the website of @e_mydata or @iode I feel more reassured that this is something I might be able to do step by step.

@sandradejong @GrapheneOS @e_mydata @iode
What I don't understand is that considering the amount of popularity and sponsorship #GrapheneOS is getting, why didn't it put a little effort into making its website more welcoming? Especially for visitors, who might be potential new users and finally supporters.

@ThePfromtheO @richarddebruin @gkcan @sandradejong GrapheneOS has the same user interface as standard Android 16 with minor adjustments to bring it in line with how the stock Pixel OS and other lightly modified forks of Android improve the style from the AOSP one. For example, we enable the typical rounded icons and rounded corners. It therefore doesn't look much different than the stock Pixel OS beyond added features. https://grapheneos.org/features provides an overview of GrapheneOS vs. Android 16.

GrapheneOS features overview

Overview of GrapheneOS features differentiating it from the Android Open Source Project (AOSP).

GrapheneOS

@ThePfromtheO @richarddebruin @gkcan @sandradejong The reason we don't include screenshots is because they'd generally show very little and we'd need to replace them very often. GrapheneOS follows along with each stable release of Android. Android has monthly, quarterly and yearly releases. Both quarterly and yearly releases are major releases often making many UI changes. It would be common for us to need to redo them every ~4 months. The screenshots would mainly just show settings menus.

@ThePfromtheO @richarddebruin @gkcan @sandradejong GrapheneOS deliberately has a very minimal base installation with few apps and services included. We provide Accrescent and sandboxed Play Store as app store options within our own app store. There are no Google apps/services installed by default. It only connects to a small list of GrapheneOS services by default, covered at https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections. We see this as an important part of GrapheneOS: not bundling third party/services, etc.

GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions

Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.

GrapheneOS

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong Groups who feel threatened by GrapheneOS misinform people about it to justify why people should use an OS unable to keep up with basic privacy/security patches, not providing driver/firmware security patches and not keep basic parts of the privacy/security model intact. The vast majority of tech media sites publish poorly researched and AI generated articles. They're not trying GrapheneOS but rather describing it based on what others say.

@GrapheneOS @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
“They're not trying GrapheneOS but rather describing it based on what others say.”

I understand this, but #GrapheneOS's homepage is also a factor that influences their opinions, as I said here:
https://social.vivaldi.net/@ThePfromtheO/114823736413376203

Also this: https://mastodon.nl/@sandradejong/114823623342107933

ThePfromtheO (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] What I don't understand is that considering the amount of popularity and sponsorship #GrapheneOS is getting, why didn't it put a little effort into making its website more welcoming? Especially for visitors, who might be potential new users and finally supporters.

Vivaldi Social

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong We plan to include videos and more images on our website but the project is focused on substance, not marketing. It has the same aesthetics as Android 16 within the OS. We keep the default system color scheme, background, etc. very minimal. Our default background is a pure black background instead of an advertisement for GrapheneOS. Boot animation is minimal. We put our effort into privacy, security, compatibility, usability and robustness.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong Videos are extremely hard to keep up-to-date. They'd essentially need to be remade every 4 months or even more often. We want all the information on our site up-to-date.

GrapheneOS has also not been very focused on replacing or overhauling all of the sample AOSP apps until recently since it's easy for people to get their preferred apps and the focus for ones built into the OS is privacy/security in a way that few third party projects do.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong Overhauling or replacing each AOSP sample app is planned so people don't get a bad impression from how outdated some of those look/feel. It's a higher priority than adding images and videos to the website. We could add a bunch of screenshots of features like Contact Scopes and Storage Scopes but it wouldn't serve much purpose. A video tutorial on each user-facing major feature would make sense, but as we said very hard to maintain.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong We recommend the past few years of videos at https://www.youtube.com/@sideofburritos/videos for well informed, high quality videos about GrapheneOS. Bear in mind that the ones which aren't from the past few months are showing an old major Android version and many changes have also happened to GrapheneOS itself.

Making video content is high effort and it doesn't last. It's easy to edit text when various stuff changes on a weekly basis, not so much a video.

Before you continue to YouTube

@GrapheneOS @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
I didn't say video necessarily. #eOS has only images, (unless there are also videos somewhere where I didn't see them.
It might seem annoying that I keep comparing #GrapheneOS with #eOS, but this not only my opinion that a welcoming homepage matters. Ask @sandradejong, for example.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong An iPhone is a far better choice for privacy and security than /e/OS. Going from an iPhone to /e/OS is giving up having strong privacy from apps and services, strong defenses against exploitation and even getting proper privacy/security patches since /e/OS doesn't provide those. It's giving up having encryption which works without setting a very strong passphrase since Fairphone has no secure element. Marketing and tech media is often wrong.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong Overall, iPhones provide very solid privacy and security along with fantastic usability. /e/OS is not in the same space as us. Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is much more private and secure than /e/OS. The direction they take their AOSP is nearly the complete opposite one. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm only covers added features and also patch delays (quite important) near the bottom so it doesn't show how privacy and security get reduced.

Comparison of Android-based Operating Systems

@GrapheneOS @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
"eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm only covers added features and also patch delays (quite important) near the bottom so it doesn't show how privacy and security get reduced."
How do you know that this was the goal?

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong The author accepts issue reports about inaccuracies and with suggestions on what else it could cover. You can see they maintain a whole bunch of different comparisons there, not only about AOSP-based operating systems. The information is generally very/fully accurate, but they choose the focus and what they want to cover. We agree with the accuracy of the information. If we did it ourselves, what it compares would be significantly different.

Sandra de Jong ⁂Jul 9, 2025

@GrapheneOS My main reason to do this project and try to switch from Iphone to Fairphone with /e/OS (or another OS which looks doable for non-techies) is that I don't want to "be hand in hand" with Big Tech companies. I want organisations (hardware and software) that are nice people who want to make the world a nicer place. And I'm willing to sacrifice some personal stuff there. It is not mainly about me.

(hope I'm making myself clear since English is not my native language)

@ThePfromtheO

@sandradejong @ThePfromtheO /e/OS and Murena are focused on advancing their for-profit company including through false marketing about their products and others.

/e/OS and Murena targeted both DivestOS and GrapheneOS with a massive amount of misinformation and fabricated stories about us. Their community harassed both projects. DivestOS being discontinued had a lot to do with the attacks on them from /e/OS and their community.

From our perspective, they're doing a lot of harm and grifting.

@GrapheneOS @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
“ the project is focused on substance, not marketing”
It is, but IMO it shouldn't be so in a such high degree that it won't even include a few screenshots of the interface. When I went to the homepage (and this was certainly before hearing any comment on its user-friendliness etc.!) I considered it was either too technical, or too much focused on security and privacy to be interested in its appeal to visitors.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong Our focus on user friendliness is currently overhauling the appearance and functionality of the legacy AOSP apps or replacing them with forks of better apps. This takes us much more time than others because of our standards for robustness, privacy and security. We care about doing things correctly.

Since the OS is just meant to look like standard Android 16 with a very minimal base install, we only want screenshots/videos to show our features.

@GrapheneOS @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong
I only speak about a few screenshots featuring the operating system. #eOS doesn't have many either, just two with the home screen, a few featuring the messages, calendar, and maps apps (one photo for each), and a few with the app store and the settings app. The rest is not needed.

@ThePfromtheO @gkcan @richarddebruin @sandradejong GrapheneOS user interface is the unmodified Android 16 UI beyond configuring it similarly to the stock Pixel OS and other devices such as enabling rounded icons, rounded corners, etc. Our default homescreen is simply a black background. Our system app icons just use black on white. It's a very minimal base install. Third party apps and services are left up to users. We aren't trying to provide a fancy default homescreen, etc.