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Lauren WeinsteinSometimes people try to convince me that tea is a reasonable substitute for coffee in the morning, an assertion with which I vigorously disagree. I have an analogy relating to coffee vs. tea, but though I don't want to jerk you around on this I really can't relate it here since it's NSFW, so you'll just have to figure it out for yourself, if you wish.
@stevewfolds@lauren Forgot that there was a scoop of beans in grinder and had a double shot. Tea has about 1/2 the amount of caffeine as pressed coffee.
Cadmus 🌲@stevewfolds @lauren Not if you drink Yerba Mate
AethonI agree. The only reasonable alternative for coffee in the morning is proper tea (in the British style). Strong, with milk (without milk, the tannins are deeply unpleasant). Preferably made with a decent brand. Anything else people call tea (earl grey, herbal etc) is delightful but not for before noon.
Context- British tea drinker with a moderate obsession for properly made coffee. We travel with our own teabags.
John Morris@tempusfelix @lauren The people who suggest tea as a coffee substitute are doing you a favor. They're letting you know their advice is completely unreliable.
Peter LudemannAt the risk of insulting @lauren , as he's American and has lived all his life in LA, we must enquire as to how he makes "tea" and what type of "tea" he's vigorously disagreeing with.
https://youtu.be/rG-rMpQT-GQ?t=66
PS: Loose tea is better than tea bags.
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@PeterLudemann @tempusfelix I have sampled many teas over many years, including (many years ago) while passing through the UK. I have never found any that struck me as anything other than "slightly stronger than water". Not usually distasteful, just not very useful (except perhaps occasionally when ill). Note that I am NOT a coffee gourmet. I just make inexpensive ground coffee in a typical inexpensive drip machine. I've never actually been able to tell much difference, even when on the Google campus where -- at those times at least -- a range of coffee choices were available that I sampled.
@lauren @tempusfelix
You didn't say whether you drink your coffee with or without sugar and cream. If you want something definitely stronger than water, I suggest properly made Hong Kong style milk tea. If you like your coffee black, you might find an "Irish Breakfast" blend that meets your criteria.
https://murchies.com/fine-tea/features/breakfast-teas/
(The Google coffees were OK, but barely comparable to any random coffee bar in Italy)
@PeterLudemann @tempusfelix I am inconsistent in terms of taking my coffee black or with sugar and/or cream. Depends on how I feel at any given moment.
FWIW, one way I can tell that I'm coming down with a cold is that I start to dislike coffee and have an urge to drink tea. Maybe it's the theanine in tea, but I feel the caffeine in coffee much more than the caffeine In tea (similar amounts of caffeine).
If you really want a hit of caffeine (and various antioxidents), try "koicha" (thick matcha). https://ippodotea.com/blogs/ippodo-tea-blog/koicha-for-a-next-level-matcha-experience
(but this requires higher grade matcha than is generally available in the US)
@PeterLudemann @tempusfelix Like I noted, I do sometimes drink tea when I'm ill. I'm not into coffee necessarily mainly for the caffeine. I'm not hard core about it.
@lauren @tempusfelix
This discussion is a bit like "do you prefer white wine or red wine?" and failing to state whether your white wine is two-buck-chuck Sauvignon Blanc or Chateau d'Yquem.
This discussion is a bit like "do you prefer white wine or red wine?" and failing to state whether your white wine is two-buck-chuck Sauvignon Blanc or Chateau d'Yquem.
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