Rob NapierJun 25, 2025

When I received that F1 ad yesterday, it flipped a bit for me. I’ve always known Apple is arrogant and often hurtful to us as outside devs, but as a user, I’ve generally trusted them on privacy.

The reason is that I saw their business model as allowing, even encouraging, good behavior (something not true of Google or Meta).

Since that unsolicited push ad from Wallet, I can no longer give them the benefit of the doubt on stuff like this. A week ago I did.
https://mastodon.social/@mjtsai/114746101699524956

Show threadRob Napier

I’m well aware of the cynicism of “what did you expect of a giant corp, they’re all exactly the same and always only do everything evil.”

But that’s not actually true. Companies are made of people. And people ultimately decide what to do. And companies have different cultures, and not everything is always acceptable. People really do stop bad behaviors when the culture allows it. Often.

But once a company builds its business on stuff like this, good people are rarely enough to stop it.

Jun 25, 2025 at 11:06pmWeb
Show threadUsagineko, Catgirl of BattleJun 25, 2025
@cocoaphony I have not been impressed with Apple under Tim Cook. I mean, he’s better than Gil Amelio, for sure; but Apple really misses its Asshole-In-Chief saying, “This is a BAD idea and we aren’t doing it.”
Show threadMatt MassicotteJun 26, 2025

@cocoaphony This is the key. Companies are made of people, but so are mobs. People behave very differently in groups than independently.

I imagine this is studied, but I don’t know what’s known about this. My guess is that it’s quite ugly.

Show threadTomKrajci 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️Jun 26, 2025

@mattiem @cocoaphony

These studies are not exclusively aimed at the business world, but there have been variations to some of the experiments...and their applicability to various diverse scenarios can be striking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_R._Browning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Christopher R. Browning - Wikipedia

Show threadJerry TrompJun 26, 2025
@cocoaphony haven’t had one, so +1 for EU regulations.
Show thread⁂ Fish Id WardrobeJun 26, 2025

@cocoaphony yes, although I think this is what I would call the "not all men" argument.

It's absolutely true that not all men are predatory arseholes. But the precautionary principle says there are circumstances where you should assume a given man is one, unless and until you learn otherwise.

Now swap "man" for "corporation".

Show threadStephen TJun 26, 2025
@cocoaphony as an outsider who has shunned corporate life for 14 years, Apple’s culture has long seemed the worst of the big tech cos. The arrogance coupled with the huge missteps of the last years is hard to swallow. And I say that as a continuing fan of their products.
Show threadmgiraldoJun 26, 2025
@cocoaphony from the makers of All Politicians Are The Same