Extinction Rebellion GlobalJeff Bezos is arriving for his wedding in Venice in a mega yacht and his guests are turning up in 95 private jets.
We're here avoiding food waste in our kitchens. 😑
Yora@ExtinctionR That's the difference between humans and parasites.
mcSlibinas@yora @ExtinctionR Bezos singlehandedly can fix many problems of all humanity with that wealth.
He can become superhero.
He choosed not to.
He can become superhero.
He choosed not to.
Beldarak@mcSlibinas @yora @ExtinctionR
That's the argument I constantly have with my rich friend. Billionaires are, by design, by simply existing, unethical.
If you have so much money that you can fix something like Africa's starvation and chose not to, you are responsible for it.
If you can pay 10 millions and not feel it on your daily live, you should give it...
His reply is always "but you have a big house, why don't you give it away then"... Because it would change my daily life!
@mcSlibinas @yora @ExtinctionR
And then we always cycle to it. He either refuses to understand or lack any morality regarding the money subject, I don't know.
The fact he can't comprehend the difference between having lots of money and having an unfathomable amount of it is mind boggling. I'm 100% convinced he lost some sense of reality when he became rich, and we're not speaking about billions rich, he's just a guy with a few millions
If it did that to him, imagine what billions do...
@mcSlibinas @yora @ExtinctionR
He also doesn't seem to grasp the difference between someone like me giving money to improve someone's life, like a few people.
And the fact a billionaire can actually fix systemic issues.
And that's not even speaking of the fact billionaires aren't just sitting on their money doing nothing with it. No, they're actively using it to make the world an even more miserable place to live, doing politics, messing around with other countries... !
@Beldarak @yora @ExtinctionR the problem is democracy vs authocracy (oligarchy) not capitalism vs socialism.
Democracy is when laws are working. All ppl pay taxes, you and me, Bezos and Mezos. All ppl obey to the same law.
Democracies can fix much more problems, than all of Bezos'es.
Just need to make democracies work.
I'd say lets start from oligarchs ban from mass media, soc media and other mass brain damage tools.
@mcSlibinas @yora @ExtinctionR
I'd argue they're both the issues. Capitalism is the foundation on which oligarchy can be built.
In a world where you put profit above all else, rich people will have the political power and will use it to raise profits.
But keep in mind I'm not 100% against capitalism, I think we can have a better curated version of it but quite frankly, socialism seems like a better system.
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸@Beldarak @mcSlibinas @yora @ExtinctionR The goal should be to democratise the industry. The framework in which this happens is more or less secondary (but would have to be democratic in some way as well).
Unfortunately we got an authocratic economy instead, with all the flaws that come with it - and all the dependencies supposed democratic political leaders have to deal with. All the corruption that comes from this is completely home-made.
@Natanox @Beldarak @yora @ExtinctionR so question is democracy vs autocracy; not like try of commercial soc media to blind us with capitalism vs socialism.
@mcSlibinas @Natanox @yora @ExtinctionR
Yes, but what do you do when someone with tons of money come and start corrupting elected people and judges?
We should have tools to block those people from even existing. And I feel a very good tool for that is socialism since it prevents someone like Musk to have so much power over states.
I'm sure there are other solutions though and that some mix between systems can be great too. The question is "where/when do we start?".
@Beldarak @Natanox @yora @ExtinctionR go to Norway and buy judges. Will end in perfect cell of the best jail in the world.
How to start - i don't know.
Maybe some social scientist have some thoughts about it - while reading our conversation? Maybe some smarter dude has idea where to look?
How to start - i don't know.
Maybe some social scientist have some thoughts about it - while reading our conversation? Maybe some smarter dude has idea where to look?
@mcSlibinas @Natanox @yora @ExtinctionR
Yup, I guess the starting point depends on each country.
I don't know much about Norway but everytime I hear about northern (I live in Belgium) countries it seems they're pretty well advanced regarding social stuff, education, etc...
Europe is basically in a pretty good place I think (overall, obviously there are tons of challenges in front of us).
US is fucked beyond repair rn but I'm curious as to what happens once Trump will be out of the game
@Beldarak @Natanox @yora @ExtinctionR is enough bad signs of corruption in Europe too. People doesn't care much - because they do not know.
They don't know because no mass media talks about.
Mass media do not talking about corruption because it's commercial mass media and make biiig money on corruption.
Brexit is a good example how commercial mass media make voters vote dumb.
@mcSlibinas @Beldarak @yora @ExtinctionR Mass Media does whatever they think pleases the algorithms of corpo media since that's the main source of visibility for them. Even if they're not owned by some billionaire they're still played like a fiddle. Even media will secured finances feel that drag, and those are usually fought by right-wingers (the useful idiots of the rich) anyway if they can't be bought and perverted.
@mcSlibinas @Beldarak @yora @ExtinctionR There are very few places where billionaires could effectively be fought. Mostly unions of countries since single countries often simply can't afford it - or are outright raided by paramiltaries or other countries like the US if they dare to question power structures, no matter how democratically that happens. EU *maybe*… perhaps the African Union if that one ever comes to be (I really hope it does!).