HHS Secretary RFK Jr is proposing banning NIH-funded researchers from publishing in top-tier journals, including JAMA and Lancet.

This is bonkers for all sorts of reasons, but let me just mention one. He points out that Lancet has retracted articles. This is factually correct, but it's a reason these journals are *more* trustworthy, not less.

Journals and peer review don't guarantee that what's published is "correct". It's merely the best process we have to get closer to finding the truth.

When people say "scientists (or experts generally) are untrustworthy because they change their opinions all the time", they're actually describing an important reason science is *more* trustworthy.
@mattblaze (also substantial change is I don't know quite uncommon. And interesting when it happens.)
@midgephoto The most interesting thing!

@mattblaze

A nice bit in Neal Stephenson's SF novel Anathem:

"What would happen if one of your colleagues proved the existence of god?"

We'd say "Nice proof Frar, and get on with believing in it."

@mattblaze There was, of all things, a FRIENDS episode where Lisa tries and tries to get Ross the paleontologist to admit that evolution might be wrong and she finally got him to admit that, yes, maybe it could be wrong.

It would have been a very short episode if he said. “Yeah, it’s a *theory*, of course it could be wrong, that’s how science works.”

@debcha And people don’t understand that a “theory” is generally the strongest thing we can get.
@mattblaze There are a few ‘laws’ — conservation of energy comes immediately to mind — but yeah, for something to get called a ‘theory’ it’s withstood a LOT of attempts to disprove it.
@debcha @mattblaze those are only stronger in the sense that Noether's theorem is a mathematical theorem, i.e. a tautological statement that is true regardless of the physical universe. But even Noether's theorem has preconditions. If they do not apply in the real world, the conversation law fails.
For example, if time fundamentally changes the laws of the universe, then conversation of energy is gone, and if the laws of the universe prefer one direction over another, conversation of angular momentum is gone, too.
@sophieschmieg @debcha @mattblaze
arguably conservation of energy didn't hold during the 20th century because of the definition of the kilogram

@debcha
In science the terms are often historical.

Newton's hypotheses on motion were called laws because it withstood a lot of testing at the time, but we now know it fails to hold at relativistic speeds. They remain useful so we still call them Laws of Motion.

Darwin's hypothesis on evolution was called a theory because he only tested it against a tiny fraction of life on Earth. It has been tested against all manner of life we've discovered since and we've yet to find an exception to it. However it retains the name Theory of Evolution.
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@mattblaze [you can tell how annoyed I was by the presentation of science and scientists in this episode by the fact that I still remember it, maybe the only FRIENDS episode I remember]
@debcha Even the laws aren’t usually laws. They’re generally just extremely well tested theories that would be especially interesting to find out were wrong.
@mattblaze the US is run by people who believe Mac’s argument:

@petes_bread_eqn_xls @mattblaze

Ptolemy said it!
I believe it!
'Nuff said!

@mattblaze

Don't you just love the their definition of "free speech" where the only speech that can be published has to go into journals with party approved censors installed?

@mattblaze

If anyone in this thread is interested, I submitted a complaint about this topic to my rep, shared here

https://timeloop.cafe/@alienghic/114587388616548685

Diane (@[email protected])

Content warning: letter to representative about RFK. Jr. attempting to censor NIH scientists.

the Timeloop Café

@mattblaze as a society we have a deep seated problem around acknowledging errors and mistakes. We have somehow created a culture where for a whole lot of people making a mistake and owning up to it is seen as somehow an existentially hard thing to do that they refuse to do at any cost.

This seems absurd to a whole lot of us who recognize that it is a sign of strength not weakness to acknowledge your errors and mistakes, to learn from them, to retract them, to make amends and fix them

@mattblaze whether that mistake is in a paper we've authored, a book we have published or in our behavior towards others. Somehow a whole lot of people have made it seemingly their life's mission to avoid ever saying they made a mistake or were wrong. To never change their views (whether about science or culture) and to never ever take responsibility. And in many cases they seem to be rewarded for this perverse behavior which makes it worse.

@Rycaut okay but you have to keep in mind that we have been trained to view empathy as a disadvantage, and thus humility as a weakness. it could interfere with individually beneficial transactional interaction which, be it social, cultural or economic, has been inculcated as Fundamental Human Nature.

we have a few pretty solid broadly applied base level assumptions that are going to have to be chipped away at. as individuals, it's easy to recognise that this is bad, but when schools, governments, public services, research projects, hospitals and churches are all expected to turn a profit first and foremost, mistakes are costly, admitting to them are even more so.

@mattblaze

@mattblaze opinions can be subject to group think, money and power. I love science. It is not infallible though when humans are involved.
@mattblaze turns out people don't like the scientific method. they prefer vibes.
@mattblaze
Specifically, Lancet has retracted the infamous paper that started the whole "vaccines cause autism" craze. Which is one of RFK Jr.'s obsessions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud
Lancet MMR autism fraud - Wikipedia

@mattblaze Why do I suspect that his actual issue with those journals is that they hurt someone's fee-fees by rejecting an article that was complete bullshit?