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It is fucking impossible to own a modern device today.
If you dont update your device - your fucked because security
If you update your device - the vendor fucks you with some bullshit "we've updated our terms and services"
Ilias
Natanox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ@selea I mean, you can. It just has to be offline like f.e. those FiiO MP3 players.
In Sweden, you'll be fucked since you can't pay your bills, get groceries, take the bus or train, and so on.
@selea Like, not at all? π«£ I know it isn't as easy or (unfortunately) as cheap, but so far you could absolutely navigate around and get everything done in Hamburg, Germany, without a phone.
Guillotine Jones, FlΓ’neur
Niku@selea Yeah, because of that I really hope that Linux smartphones will someday be practical for everyday use. I feel like the Linux/Unix-like (NOT YOU macOS) Devices are the last ones I really kinda own.
Code of Amor π@selea @alexadeswift The informed market is crying out for open source devices
Liminal witch π§ββοΈ Sarah@selea It's not impossible but it's not easy or cheap.
FOSS Unleashed@selea I wish this behavior were limited to proprietary software. Sometimes forking means setting up a bunch of infra too
Aroop Roelofs@selea Assuming your device isn't 2 years old already and your vendor still even bothers with security updates to begin with. :')
saua@finlaydag33k @selea At least the big vendors are closer to 5-7 years of security updates now. Still not great (and still getting all the other undesired updates at the same time), but better than having to trash a perfectly working phone after 2 years.
The problem is that those vendors can whenever they want, change their policy that you are forced to accept because they shove new shit into your throat
Kaito@selea "if you agree to these terms, you agree that your data may be used to train machine learning models"
Martin Rundkvist@selea And also the planned obsolence of them pushing an operating system update to your device that is too computing-heavy and makes it slow.
D Ingram@selea If only there were nice modern devices that did not require internet access.
SchrΓΆdiΙ²ger's Enby 
@selea i'm all for going back to dumb phones and other dumb tech
enshittification has made modern tech intolerable
enshittification has made modern tech intolerable
Maier Amsden
Devin@selea Solution: get a device like the Lite Phone, which wonβt push bullshit on you and is also so unknown that no one wants to pierce its security. π
sebulon@selea Our situation particularly sucks since we've allowed the worst private companies (banks) to be the authority for identification instead of- you know- THE GOVERNMENT! TBF there are other ways of identification for the most important services like taxes but for basically "normal" life a smartphone with proprietary software/firmware is required these days π₯
Karl Voit 
@selea Only if you really think that "modern" means vendor/cloud-linked. π
If you change your tool selection process, you can break free right from the start. π
Gekko@selea absolutely true. Therefore collecting old computers and running them with Linux
MisterMaker@selea So stop complaining start working on opensource hard-ware and software to fight it!
So people without technical knowledge is not eligible to complain over an disfunctional trend in our society?