Updating my satellite numbers for another talk. There are now 7,306 Starlink satellites in orbit, a hundred more than 3 weeks ago when I last gave this talk. Fuck.

(Numbers from Jonathan McDowell's website: https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html)

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@sundogplanets And now Amazon is sending out their own? How is this all going to end? I mean, I have a few ideas. Ridiculous!

@mcourcel @sundogplanets China is sending some...and so on. It is very crowded up their already and none of us seem to get a say. :(

If they feel they need satellites for internet, it should be something like a UN, where countries get together and make one unified plan.

@mcourcel

As will any nation with sattelte capabilities, since Starlink was crucial in the Ukraine war.

We'll get two things:
Massive signal interference in space to earth transmissions
Sooner rather than later satellites destroying each other on a cascading exponential scale without any hostile outside interference aka Kessler Syndrome

@sundogplanets

@sundogplanets that's only 1.5% ish of what is planned. Going to be ~70x more, apparently ... We need an Astronomy Tax on every single one of them.
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While this effort is definitely sincere and will have an impact, I fear that we will have always major players like Musk, Bezos and Trump who don't give a hoot and get to waste public funding.

The US is currently a prime candidate of technological advancement in the hands of an idiocracy with short term gain over long term sustainability.

Starlink, as well as any competitor is bound to fail commercially. They can't out run the inevitable cascade before they make any commercial profit.

@sundogplanets I suspect they’re planning on destroying ground-based internet or disrupting it in some way. Then trying to control all internet traffic via this satellite system.

@markwyner

I doubt it. But they bank of rural America to be too cheap to invest in ground based solution and go for the shiny object in space.
+ They bank on more wars, where any ground based fixed solution is bound to get blown to smithereens and the military will be paying top dollar out of their nose for satellite coverage.
Which is why rather sooner than later military lobbies will insist on Starlink like national coverage in the control of the military with military focused capabilities.

@sundogplanets

China launching 600 sats this year, 14,000 ultimately, for its Qianfan (Thousand Sails) megacon.

Amazon *must* launch 1,600+ sats (3,200+ ultimately) by July of next year for its Project Kuiper. That's 1 rocket/week.

Europe's OneWeb is smaller, 600-ish, but now that EU no longer trusts Starlink, they are planning to expand.

The problem is about to get a lot worse.

@sundogplanets I will never ever understand who really has the power to give this a go ahead. They should have had to collect 7 billion signatures to even get permission. Thanks to this obscene amount of space junk and unchecked power, we are forecast to ruin our future of space exploration. What an epic fail in the making.
@Eriellelaura @sundogplanets Unfortunately the issue is, who has the power to stop them?

@ariaflame @Eriellelaura

Losses in profit will stop the commercial endeavors fast. They won't be able to replace their satellites fast enough and commercially viable in order to provide a cheap enough solution. Currently with public funding Starlink is not getting even, despite the income from the Ukraine war, which is currently at risk to be replaced by Eurel Sat by 70% and additional ground solutions to be 100% redundant and as soon as that is accomplished the prize bargaining starts. 1/2

@ariaflame @Eriellelaura

Making Starlink even less profitable than it is currently.

( I wouldn't bank on Russia being able to fill the gap. Their economy is currently shot to hell. Musk wants Dollars not Yuans nor Rupie and certainly not Rubel.
Any rare earth deal will not do short tem either, which Musk needs with Tesla going down the shitter.)
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@sundogplanets Thing is, it's not just Starlink anymore. China has its own constellation and Europe is planning one too iirc. Unless Starlink is a worse offender because of incompetence and how little fucks they give about anything but their profits.

@rejzor

There are no profits in starlink so far and there likely won't be in any future. Starlink is only viable due to government funding for NASA shuttling with SpaceX.

DEBUNKING STARLINK
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DEBUNKING STARLINK

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@rejzor yep, painfully aware of this. But Starlink has a 7,000+ satellite head start on literally everyone else, so that's what I'm most focused on. I'm pretty terrified about what happens when satellites from different megaconstellations have to avoid colliding with each other (especially the Chinese ones, China's space program isn't known for being good at communicating with anyone)
@sundogplanets finite resource, so mindlessly mine it out before some one else gets to it. How it ends folkes, linear short term thinking. Typically what Gov is formed to prevent and protect the greater good (in theory)
@sundogplanets Even more amazing is that Jonathan lists 1111 Starlink satellites already reentered the atmosphere.
@EricFielding And that's just the beginning! ALL of them are going to burn up in the atmosphere (or land in some farmer's lentil field). Stunning.
@sundogplanets Musk junk on earth and waste in the sky - to hell with this nasty guy! @natex
@sundogplanets yep, Vandenberg launch a couple days ago. I’m close enough to hear the sonic booms.
@sundogplanets apparently Glasgow is one of the biggest manufacturers of satellites in Western Europe