Uhm, a new ChatGPT version just dropped and GeoGuesser is now a solved problem.

PSA: When posting any outdoors photos, update your threat model from "someone skilled and dedicated could theoretically locate this" to "any stalker can do this for 20€/mo"

https://xcancel.com/arithmoquine/status/1912671688874926575/

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@piegames 20€? Pöh, i guess this would also work in the free account or not?
@DerSchulze I don't have ChatGPT, but from what I understand you get better quality results from paying more

@piegames You can ask ChatGPT also to make an estimate to the position of the photographer.

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@masek @piegames Du auch in Barcelona? Frage für ChatGPT
@Shortman @piegames Ich bin vier Wochen auf Workation hier in Barcelona.
@masek @piegames 10 Min ago ;-)
@Shortman @piegames Da waren wir Sonntag. Ich sitze jetzt im Hotel und arbeite 😄
@masek @piegames falscher Tag bzgl des Wetters
@masek @piegames to be fair, this picture also can be located using Google Lens.
Using Google lens and a bit of skill, a lot more outdoor photos already could be located lots faster, than most people would assume.

@mxk @piegames Google Lens liefert mir die Landmark, aber nicht das drumherum, vor allem führt es darauf keine Analysen aus.

Weshalb ich das für besonders halte: für ein Taschengeld bekomme ich eine Fähigkeit, die sonst Spezialisten vorbehalten war.

ChatGPT konnte mit dem Bild den Standort des Fotografen mit einer Genauigkeit von 1km bestimmen.

@masek @piegames ja, ich bestreite ja nicht, dass es das einfacher macht, aber auch mit Lens und manueller suche danach auf Google Maps ist das verorten von Fotos halt lange keine exotische Fähigkeit mehr und Menschen verraten schon lange mit Fotos viel mehr über ihren Standort, als ihnen bewusst ist.

@mxk @piegames Dem zweiten Teil des Satzes stimme ich zu. Für den ersten Teil nur zum Teil: max 10% der Menschen konnten bisher eine solche Analyse durchführen.

ChatGPT gibt die Fähigkeit nun an sehr viel mehr Menschen und senkt die Hürde beträchtlich.

@masek @piegames ich glaube der Unterschied besteht darin, ob man glaubt, dass es einen wesentlichen Unterschied macht, ob 5% der Bevölkerung ein Foto durch ihre Fähigkeiten verorten können oder jeder der sich einen ChatGPT-Account leistet.

@mxk
Der für mich wichtigste Unterschied ist, dass niemand mehr stundenlang suchen und nachdenken muss, sondern eine einigermaßen genaue Antwort per Knopfdruck erzeugt wird.

Datenanalyse und Verletzung von Datenschutz sind immer dann am potentesten bzw. gefährlichsten wenn sie automatisiert und massenhaft passieren können.

Das ist ein Geschenk für Mega-Konzerne und unfreundliche Regierungen, und potentiell enorm gefährlich für alle anderen.

@masek @piegames

@mxk
Positiv: gefälschte Nachrichten mit plausibel aussehenden Fotos von anderen Orten oder vom falschen Zeitpunkt lassen sich schneller enttarnen.

Gaanz schlimm: Google, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple... werden früher oder später alle Fotos die sie greifen können auf diese Weise analysieren, und ebenso die US-Regierung, die chinesische, russische... und sie werden alles was sie finden zum eigenen Vorteil einsetzen.
@masek @piegames

@mxk @masek @piegames theyseeyourphotos.com could tell me in which small country I took a closeup photo of lawn in which no native organisms were in frame.
@jeremy_list @mxk @masek @piegames I just showed it a picture of me in Denmark aged 26. It tells me I am a man in his 30s in Sweden. (It does recognise that I am on a bicycle, at least). It also thinks I might engage in illegal street racing (I have never been a driver at all), buy artisanal coffee blends (nope) and vintage motorcycle gear (also nope), rehab centres (nope), rare bicycle parts (just about possible), and anger management courses (nope).

@jeremy_list I can manage to get it in the right country with actual shot of Cambridge station, which it calls London. On the train I'm in Canada. In York it's Durham, and my boots are sneakers. Brighton is London in another, and I like smoking and gambling (nope).

So, like a lot of this stuff, all very well if you don't mind that the answers might be nonsense, don't use it to answer any important questions.

@masek @piegames it’s definitely in Raval from the angle of the shot.
@piegames Women are going to die because of this
@jsbarretto @piegames child pornographers as well, silver linings and all. I’ve sent in dozens of hotel window views to help find where videos may have been shot at and when.
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@piegames What version of ChatGPT would that be?

GPT models I have access to have literally guessed wrong twice already what flat complex I'm living in, and it's actually known around the world, and we have yearly excursions of architecture students. And it was rather bad at guessing. The screenshots are nice, but it only shows the "greatly successful" identifications.

(Yes, if I ask long enough in a mall, I can get 3 guys that believe you can get pregnant from oral ,,,, that proves nothing.)

@piegames Ah, GPT-4.5 managed with only 3 images and in the 4th query asking it to "try again".

Not sure if that counts as a "solved problem".

@yacc143 Update your threat model accordingly
@yacc143 @piegames they were looking at the o3 model, not 4.5

@yacc143 Confusingly the model is called "o3", while its predecessor is "4o". YMMV on the quality, often times it is "only" within the range of 20km.

But given the current rate of progress it is only a matter of time before someone hooks in Google Maps into it and then be able to locate any visible rooftop.

@piegames Yes o3 tends to be better at that, let me retry with it, it seems to be one the reasoning models.

But no, o3 seems to be worse at guessing where I live, sigh, it insists that my French is significantly better than it is in reality. I would probably need 3 months in France before I'd be able to order myself a lunch, to reactivate my High School French.

@piegames are we sure it's not just reading the exif data?
@hareldan Would need some confirmation, but I doubt it. At the very least it can extract non-trivial information out of an image regardless of EXIF: "Left‑hand house has stucco scrollwork and window surrounds typical of late‑19th/early‑20th‑century Gründerzeit/Jugendstil façades found all over Germany, especially the Rhine valley."
@hareldan @piegames It just did a pretty good job with a lakeside shot of a lake by Bergen in Norway based on plants/lighting/vibes, and I used a screenshot of the original to ensure no metadata survived.
@ross @piegames bias for touristy sites because it scraped all those picasa/flickr albums? let's see where this leads.
@piegames
On the plus side, each use of ChatGPT costs OpenAI money ( even if you pay for a subscription )
@piegames had a friend try a photo from my window, and it located me down to my exact address
@piegames ffs so it wasn't enough that it was ruining art, now it's ruining e-sports as well?
@piegames
Fortunately the landmarks seem to have do be at least somewhat distinct
@Starkimarm Without landmarks it currently has an accuracy of "only" 20–50km, but I think it's only a matter of time until someone hooks onto Google maps and then a visible rooftop might suffice
@piegames AI is a scourge on humanity and should never have been invented. I rest my case.
@piegames I'd enjoy knowing how much the same company will charge to obfuscate your photos fro a small monthly fee. And how quickly that turns into an escalating tech race like all those parables where the inventor gets their head cut off for being too effing clever
@piegames yeah... this is perhaps a bit scary. I'm a free user and it detected roughly where I was here.
@piegames it's definitely not perfect yet though, gave it an image I took the other day and it came up with the M56 in Cheshire? Won't share the image for privacy reasons here, but it's at least 80mi south of that
@piegames soon we are going to get databases of apartment postings scraped and indexed perceptively and sold and there will be databases of interiors. Also, every time a police officer will have door opened they will have their bodycam image be used to produce perceptive indexing of interior as much as entrance will allow. There will be drones mass indexing interior looks. The idea to try getting the same for interiors as here we find existing for exteriors is going to be very enticing and obvious

@piegames this is really really scary.. a friend of mine posted a picture of one of the inner roads inside our college and guess what the model guessed it accurately..

There are no publically available images of that road and still the AI model identified it..

This is really really scary