MeeCollapse: Can we admit how completely fucked we are?
Cyrus DraegurMartial law in maybe 5 days…
Oxysis/OxyMight be a bit generous
FenderStratocasterI kind of hope he does, so maybe the idiots that can do something will.
HubertMannewhy. hes doing everything he could under martial law now without having to declare it.
Because April 20th was always the plan…
Likely because it’s hitlers b-day.
Have you legitimately not heard that date between project 2025 leaking and now?
ripcordLeaking?
On April 20th his goons submit a report answering whether to call up the military to address the “crisis”. It’s theater to escalate further.
Apparently the reason he signs so many executive orders is because it allows him to bypass congress to enact his fascist policies.
Which is bizarre, considering he does have a congress majority as well.
At some point all of the ignored court rulings will force him into a proper coup. Until then you are right.
ninthantFrom my perspective in Canada, there’s nothing the US can do to unfuck this situation.
Let’s say folks unseated Comrade Spraytan somehow and reversed all of his policies. I would still never trust their country again with economic or security dependence in the way that much of the world has enabled in the status quo.
It was the American voters who selected this foolishness, not once but twice. They and their country will not be trusted for a generation or maybe longer. They threw away a very good thing for them because of abject greed, and now it’s gone forever.
And the problem isn’t Trump but rather the 30-40% that voted fir him
I need to hire you to summarize my lengthy pretentious blathering into a nice concise sentence. :)
Its a global class war the Australian Murdoch family is a huge reason Americans vote they way they do. Also it has bled into Canada. The freedom convoy and people like Lauren Southern are paid shills for foreign billionaires.
amniotic druidAnd Eastern European oligarchs and Middle Eastern oil tycoons who are bankrolling it. It’s not an America thing lol
Not only an American thing. However it definitely is an American thing.
lumpenproletariatThe Murdochs all have American citizenship and don’t live in Australia.
Literally only Rupert was born in Australia, all the others are from Britain and the US.
Literally
I guess dumping all your trash in America makes your spawn American. Must be nice to throw all your unwanted somewhere to take no responsibility for your countries poison people. if you send them elsewhere it’s their problem now and you can claim you’re not part of it while exporting your own toxic people.
Must be nice being a racist who thinks the immigrants and their children can’t be American.
My entire region voted for Kamala try again.
And yet you think Murdoch and his children who are all American citizens living in America aren’t American?
No. I can see cause and effect.
The cause is he got granted American citizenship, the effect is he is an American.
He’s not Australian. Cunt gave up his Australian citizenship to buy a U.S. TV station. And yet still believes he can manipulate us too.
As far as we’re concerned, he’s dead to us.
I never asked for him to come here. Must be nice to dump your trash on someone else and claim innocence.
We didn’t boot him out. He willingly, perhaps gleefully, did it himself.
Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics of 30% didn’t vote 5% Tiger King and the rest got split between Harris and Trump?
The fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period. Now you guys need to get your shit together and fix this shitshow, but as others have said it already, the trust is gone.
The point is Trump is not the only problem and the 40% or so that supports him also need addressing.
UltraGiGaGiganticIf they have proof then why arent they in court proving it?
They actively are. To run legal battles for recounts/audits in many different states is a ton of time, money, and manpower, so it’s not like they can just do it overnight. Also they are building their case to ensure it’s built on actual evidence, rather than Trump’s lawsuits in 2020-21 that started with the conclusion and worked back to find something.
Baron Von JThe fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period
Except they didn’t. Trump received 49.8% of the vote. The actual fact is the majority of voters chose someone else, they just didn’t agree enough on who that someone else should be.
Trump received 49.8% of the vote.
Even that is misleading, since this is just the percentage of the people who actually voted. More people didn’t vote at all than voted for him.
You should read up on what majority means, because the majority definitely did not vote Trump. A case could be made that the people who abstained from voting in effect voted for Trump, and then a majority did vote for him, but it is nowhere near a majority of people who actually voted Trump.
CodexArcanumThat 30-ish% (or more) of Americans like and support fascism is a real problem. Its been a real problem for… roughly all of human history that 1/3 of us are selfish monsters that lack empathy.
Trump stole the election. He announced he would, his lackeys did extensive voter suppression work, and then he bragged about doing it afterwards. He didn’t win a fair election, and it’s disgusting that the narratives have fully blown past that.
The wealthiest people on Earth believe that we’re in an “end game” of some sort, and that now is the time to do everything in their considerable power to consolidate rule before the big collapse sets in. This isn’t an America problem, it’s a World Class War and the USA isnt even the first battlefield, just currently the most visible failure of the lower classes to fight back.
There’s no way to have stolen the 2024 election that wouldn’t require thousands working in secret. He won because more voted for him than for Harris.
So are there thousands of trump cultists ruining america (by strategicaly placing themselves in positions of power like voting volunteers, judges, sheriffs, and so on) or not?
Are you suggesting 100 million people voted for Trump and then went home to celebrate but otherwise didn’t do any fascist stuff? Didn’t take over any PTA’s to get books banned (documented) or take over any courts (some supreme ones even, perhaps) so that laws could be overturned and election decisions quickly made in Trump’s favor?
It’s easier to say he stole the election than to address the alternatives:
- A significant portion of the voting public are fascists and,
- The Dems just arent very compelling.
Trump stole the election.
I would very easily believe that Trump did, but I’m still going to need to see your source.
RememberTheApollo_Out of ~250 million eligible voters (legally able, 18 or over, etc) roughly 32% voted for trump.
For Hitler, it was 37 percent of the popular vote. History does rhyme.
No the problem is ALL the about 75% that didn’t vote against him.
They were fine with letting Trump win.
They were fine with letting Trump win.
jjagaimoAccording to usnews.com (maybe not the most reputable source but),
64% of the voting-eligible population in the U.S. voted in the 2024 election.
Of those, who voted, 49.8% voted trump and 48.3% voted kamala.
That means 31.8% of eligible voters voted for trump, 30.912% voted for kamala, 0.012% voted other, and 36% didnt vote at all. That makes it 62-63% of eligible voters didnt vote against him.
Which isnt much better
30.912% voted for kamala
That makes 69.1% that didn’t vote against Trump.
Or in very rough rounded numbers.
About half voted, about half of those voted against Trump. = 75% that didn’t.
It was never meant to be an accurate number, but a ballpark rounded number. From 75 to 69 is 6% inaccurate. Good enough for the point I was trying to make. And more accurate numbers dont change the point in any way.
The point is a vast majority is OK with having a flaming fascist sociopath as president.
and the 30% that didn’t vote at all
This is how I see it as well. Its not about manufacturing either, you cant increase manufacturing during a recession when no one can afford anything and no one is willing to work low wages.
A lot of people, Americans, didn’t trust America before trump. America is getting played out and dragged across the ground by unholy people.
I heard someone say; Angels and Demons, I never knew you could see them.
It took time for me to understand the reality of that. Evil has humanity captured in its hand squeezing the life from its figurative body.
Something is going on
The class war.
Same as it ever was.
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SnausagesinaBlanketDriven by racism and hate. Trumpsterfire gave them permission to act like themselves.
I’d throw in greed and ignorance into the mix but yes
As an American I know I will never look at America or other people the same way again. The last few months have opened me to ideas I never considered before and have completely changed how I view myself and even the people I used to trust.
This is certainly the Gen Y/Z generation-wide trauma event.
I’m not sure the AIDS epidemic was even this bad. Government negligence is one thing. This is complete disregard for the law.
I have news for you if you think the aids epidemic was negligent and not intentionally reckless because it was a “homosexual” disease.
There’s a lot of money to be made by selling stuff to the US. I’ll be surprised if Canadian companies and trading agreements didn’t revert to their pre-Trump arrangements within a few years of him leaving office.
Will he ever leave office?
Also, Trump isn’t the only reason all of this shit is going down. It’s the entire Republican party. It’s every ICE agent, it’s the Supreme Court deciding a president is above the law, America is rotten to the core.
Richest country on the planet with plenty of land, many climates allowing a diverse range of crops, and various resources like oil and ores. And they’ve fucked it, just to get their hands on more and more dollars, to what purpose? Greedy fucks.
Will he ever leave office?
He’s an old man. Either Americans will get rid of him, or he’ll die of old age.
America is rotten to the core.
Is that new? The US has/had many great attributes, but they’ve never been as good as their PR pretends. Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, Iraq, Vietnam, the CIA, etc.
Richest country on the planet … Greedy fucks.
I can’t disagree.
Oh, you misunderstand me.
Absolutely yes, people will continue to trade with the US after a few years. Hell, they are still doing it today!
What’s different is the level of dependence the rest of the world will enable in the future. Their special status no longer applies; and there is no trust they will be good actors in the future.
Long term cooperation will be built in anticipation of likely irrational and volatile behaviour. Something like the integrated North American auto industry or aligning with the US as primary defence contractor or intelligence, these mistakes will be not be repeated.
There will continue to be trade, but across the world a higher priority will be given to domestic production and alternative suppliers for critical products. For example Canada had been slowly retreating from our protectionist policies on dairy — but instead I expect these to now be strengthened. I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for military equipment, semiconductors, financial and digital services, and more.
Their special status no longer applies
Their special status is money, a productive economy, and a massive military. Trump may damage those attributes, but I suspect the US will generally retain them.
And other countries will line up to get access to that trough. Even if governments don’t want to buddy up, the moneyed classes in those countries will agitate to get access to that market.
I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for…
During COVID we said we were going to start producing our own vaccines, pharmaceuticals, and PPE. We said we would address the crisis in Canadian healthcare. In the three-ish years since the end of lockdowns, we’ve settled back into our pre-covid rut.
Post-Trump, it will be the same. As long as the US is a huge market, we’ll eventually settle back into the NAFTA rut.