Jeff AtwoodMy son (16) and I are going on this (amazing!) trip together so I may be a bit difficult to reach for the next week or so, apologies https://www.sojournproject.org
epimetheonI wondered why the history of civil rights was so especially brutal in Birmingham, AL, versus other southern cities (historians consider it the most brutal). Then I learned it was a company town. Now go look up why healthcare is so historically screwed up in the USA. We should be teaching the root causes first.
The Dahmer family got the most vicious branch of the KKK in the entire United States taken down after 30 years. His wife (age 99) and two of his sons spoke with us about it all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Dahmer
I apologize if I have been a bit cranky lately but this Sojourn tour, while incredible, is also kind a lot of contextual murdering to process.
And I forgot this one. Well actually I don’t think I will ever forget it, I just failed to share it at the time
Ari "Two Foxes" Jackson@codinghorror I made a point of visiting his gravesite at Arlington and putting a penny on top of the tombstone.
Of all the ones that I wanted to visit, his was number one for me. More than my great uncle's plot. Though I did eventually find that one as well.
Ty Jones@codinghorror Did you happen to read the Jonathan Eig biography on King that recently won a Pulitzer? Great read!
@taffypeppers I did not but I need to read his last book that talks about UBI the 1967 one “chaos or community” first
Jim@codinghorror
For me it was visiting the National Museum of African American History and Culture on the Mall. I had to leave before seeing it all. It was too overwhelming for me to see all that awful history in one place.
For me it was visiting the National Museum of African American History and Culture on the Mall. I had to leave before seeing it all. It was too overwhelming for me to see all that awful history in one place.
@jimdab yes. This is also incredible: https://legacysites.eji.org/about/museum/
Jonathan Hendry"Not that one”
P4@jonhendry @codinghorror If Jeffrey went after the KKK, would we remember him differently?
Not much, no. There's not really any good deeds that can outweigh drilling holes in the heads of living men and pouring acid in.
@jonhendry @p4 I had that thought as well but it is pronounced “day-mer”
Bent Chinrest@codinghorror that topic is a bit of a minefield of misinformation, any recommendations for a starting point or line of inquiry?
@paneerakbari ask chatgpt that specific question and specify you want detailed citations from well respected sources justifying its answer. Go ahead. Try it. Tell us what you find and why you think it is correct or incorrect by double checking its work yourself. That’s what I do.
That's like double the work.
@jonhendry @paneerakbari it kinda depends honestly. It gives you some decent starting points.
@codinghorror @jonhendry I get kinda fatigued on the "do your own research" directive - that's largely what people have been doing and it is *not* going well
I totally get not wanting to lecture or endorse one or another expert on a topic, and fostering inquisitive minds is necessary
FWIW, Dan Weismann is doing a lot of good work on the subject, and larges swathes of issues get covered by Cory Doctorow with regularity. And for every one of them there's a louder, better-funded RFK Jr
I totally get not wanting to lecture or endorse one or another expert on a topic, and fostering inquisitive minds is necessary
FWIW, Dan Weismann is doing a lot of good work on the subject, and larges swathes of issues get covered by Cory Doctorow with regularity. And for every one of them there's a louder, better-funded RFK Jr
@paneerakbari @jonhendry in this case I will do (part of) your work for you. There were three very large companies that collectively had their own company “neighborhoods” so it was a de facto company town in combination. Perhaps even worse than a singular Fordlandia.
Mark Kola@codinghorror root cause analysis is becoming a lost skill in most arenas. Maybe it is because of superficial answers. Maybe people don't look at history as much anymore.