If any group has no right to due process, anyone can be assumed to be in that group and immediately lose their rights, and they get no due process to prove that they're not part of that group.
That's how they can deny anyone their rights. Even people who are not part of the targeted group.
@mcv Ah, where were you, when they did basically that to "terrorists" after 9/11?
Patriot Act allowing to lock up non-citizens without charging them?
Citizens labelled "enemy combatants" (who does the labelling, and what is an EC?) can be held indefinitely without legal representation, without a charge, under "wartime powers", WHAT f%&king war? (e.g. Yaser Esam Hamdi and José Padilla)
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#Trump is just continuing the good work of the bipartisan US system here, sorry to have to say that.
@mcv Please note, that one of the most clever and at the same time evil things the US political caste did was introducing "war on X" with X not a country.
Traditionally war is a legal state that is declared by Congress, and generally it involves countries. It's generally a severe condition. So it allows abridging civil rights.
Obviously the war on smoking or the war on obesity or the war on drugs should not empower the government to ignore civil rights. But the clever wording, ... 1/
@mcv And suddenly they can get away to using "war time powers" and "war time laws", when terrorism is still only a crime.
Not funny. Because the current development that property damage is labelled "domestic terrorism" was totally predictable, and expected.
A "get out of jail" card for the government, called "label the other a terrorist", and then it's only a question of time before jaywalking becomes "domestic terrorism" (autodetected by an Oracle AI, terrorists auto-executed by Tesla AIs)
I protested against it back then too. The Patriot Act was an absolute atrocity and in many ways it laid the groundwork for the further erosion of the US constitution that we're seeing today. The whole idea that suspected terrorists could be held without trial and even tortured because Guantanamo Bay is not US territory, is absolutely disgusting and everybody involved should have been charged as criminals.
@georgetakei
History does not repeat.
Humans do it indeed.
As long they get the chance.
@Eetschrijver @georgetakei always... :)
Just love to share her wisdom at times
Well, and then there's the other 2+ million people we've got locked up right now that everybody likes to forget about just because they got labeled criminals.
@georgetakei Wrong, the ultra wealthy and non-minorities have rights including fascists and other idiots.
This of course, is worse than what you said.
The arrogant people should always have the least rights of anyone due to their desire to abuse a system.
@georgetakei When I was working at SRI, one of my co-workers had been in an internment camp as a child. He was a really nice person. When our manager left, all of us recommended him as a replacement.
One tiny piece of good news:: it seems a judge just ordered the Trump administration to have the guy they deported to El Salvador "in error/by accident" back in the U.S. by Monday, and the judge does not want to hear excuses.
@bzdev @georgetakei Is that judge prepared to put some ICE officials in shackles and cages until their decision is complied wirh? Trump may have immuntiy but his thugs at ICE to NOT.
If this fails and that judge ends up in CCOT too look out.
@georgetakei You are deeply loved, George. All over the world.
It wasn't my country that detained you, so it would be hollow of me to apologize, but no-one reading this disagees with the first two sentences.
What Republicans are also glossing over is the theft of the property & assets of internees.
$4 billion in today's dollars.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/02/19/515822019/farming-behind-barbed-wire-japanese-americans-remember-wwii-incarceration
https://densho.org/catalyst/sold-damaged-stolen-gone-japanese-american-property-loss-wwii/
The Nazis did the same confiscations to the Roma, Sinti, Jews, Jehovah's Witness, B'Nai Brith and their conquered vassal states.
The profits from forced labor and penal labor is also glossed over.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/10/how-private-prisons-profit-from-forced-labor
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis
If you haven't seen George Takei's Allegiance, I highly recommend it. This is what happens when a government (illegally) classifies an entire group of people as a threat and denies them due process. The targeted people show themselves to be far better Americans than their accusers/abusers.
IMDB link:
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt6316170/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_8
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