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AI6YR Ben@exador23 Ouch, but... yeah.
dr_barnowl@exador23
Aww it can get the number of petals right now.
Aww it can get the number of petals right now.
CaveDave@exador23 THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS! The "art" spit out by the ropot should be blurry and have non-flower properties like a branch sticking out instead of some of the petals. It's not just the issue that Gen AI regurgitates but also the fact that it makes it worse
kolya@exador23 dieselsweeties used to have more girl-robot sex
ↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆Ꭿﬡ@exador23 There is some truth in it. But on the other hand, what does the human brain when creating art? Are we not also influenced by all the works of art we have seen in our lives? Could we create art without ever seeing one? 🤔
If you see a few pictures from van Gogh or Joan Miro, you can often attribute other pictures to the corresponding artist because the style remains the same.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate “real” art much more, but the AI is learning from input, and the human brain is doing it also, isn’t it? How much from us does really come out of ourselves without other influences?
If you see a few pictures from van Gogh or Joan Miro, you can often attribute other pictures to the corresponding artist because the style remains the same.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate “real” art much more, but the AI is learning from input, and the human brain is doing it also, isn’t it? How much from us does really come out of ourselves without other influences?
Gynux@daniel_reineke @exador23 How do kids draw without any knowledge ? How did cavemen drew ? Human art is based on imagination and experience, period. Knowledge allows refinement of the art, it does not create art. Computers can't do shit without priori human art training.
@daniel_reineke @exador23 An AI is "learning" because of the programing of a human that has specified what to "look" for to be reproduced. So, the AI is not exactly "learning" from input, it's remixing data from the input that the programmer thought should be valuable.
AI has no will of its own and its images are produced just because of "prompts". It's just a tool that uses a lot of work without consent.
AI has no will of its own and its images are produced just because of "prompts". It's just a tool that uses a lot of work without consent.
@Gynux @exador23 But AI can create a picture, just with the prompt “make a picture” and nothing else. Examples (I selected a style, but not the content)
@daniel_reineke @exador23 Yep ! That's called a random draw (no pun intended). A random draw among all the parameters that constitute the program. It does not make it "creative", otherwise you would have to qualify a lottery as "creative"...
@Gynux @exador23 Hmm, interesting point. But wouldn’t real random result just in coloured pixels? Somehow the AI decided to draw a camera, and the camera is black and on a wooden table…
I don’t know, maybe the AI gets through a list of objects and selected this look. Maybe it was selected out of some “learned experiences”.
But when I draw a picture, I cannot say the way is very different from that… 😅
I don’t know, maybe the AI gets through a list of objects and selected this look. Maybe it was selected out of some “learned experiences”.
But when I draw a picture, I cannot say the way is very different from that… 😅
🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 It "decided" to spit out a camera and a random manga-girl because those are prompts that exist in the training sets it was given. It doesn't "learn". It's not intelligent or a little creature independent of the companies that profit off the program. You are assigning intelligence, creativity, and free will to it because the language around GenAi creates an illusion of life. It's literally a calculator. This is what a toaster would do if it had a randomize option.
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 I think you're really underestimating technology strong. It's like saying that the brain is like a computer chip because it also works with electricity flowing along connections.
For example, you cannot simply remove information once it has been learnt.
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 What?
That's nothing like what I said or implied.
I'm talking about GenAi and your view of it. I'm not talking about actual human brains.
That's nothing like what I said or implied.
I'm talking about GenAi and your view of it. I'm not talking about actual human brains.
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 Well, you said „It doesn't learn.“ and „It's literally a calculator.“
But I don’t think so. It is much more than that. AI should not be underestimated.
But anyways, this toot is getting bigger as expected and it is difficult for me to follow all various forked responses and answers and “argumentation chains”. 😅
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Basically I started this discussion to see the viewing points of others and try to find out, how close AI is to the human brain. Differences and similarities. I am impressed by AI, but I am also afraid. I don’t want AI to come so fast in every corner of my life without me being able to decide.
But often I have no choice and have to deal with it. At least in my professional life.
But I don’t think so. It is much more than that. AI should not be underestimated.
But anyways, this toot is getting bigger as expected and it is difficult for me to follow all various forked responses and answers and “argumentation chains”. 😅
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Basically I started this discussion to see the viewing points of others and try to find out, how close AI is to the human brain. Differences and similarities. I am impressed by AI, but I am also afraid. I don’t want AI to come so fast in every corner of my life without me being able to decide.
But often I have no choice and have to deal with it. At least in my professional life.
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 What I'm trying to get at here is that the language used around GenAi is misleading, and it's misleading on purpose. When we keep talking about GenAi in organic terms (even human terms), it creates an illusion that it's much much more than it is, and that it has mystical potential that you (the buyer) couldn't fathom.
You are impressed by the possibilities because of this language hype.
The language hype is deliberate because it's used to sell the product.
You are impressed by the possibilities because of this language hype.
The language hype is deliberate because it's used to sell the product.
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23
GenAi is currently a billion dollar industry. And it's that because of the potential. The potential is created in the buyers' mind using specific language.
If I was to come to your office and try to sell you a calculator (it's a really nice calculator, and it also says good morning to you), would you invest in that, or would you rather invest in a mystical box that I promise can eventually do everything AND it says good morning to you with a nice voice?
GenAi is currently a billion dollar industry. And it's that because of the potential. The potential is created in the buyers' mind using specific language.
If I was to come to your office and try to sell you a calculator (it's a really nice calculator, and it also says good morning to you), would you invest in that, or would you rather invest in a mystical box that I promise can eventually do everything AND it says good morning to you with a nice voice?
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 Ok, I got your point.
But I am not a buyer, I am a developer and also a information security officer. I am kind of “on the other side”. 😄
I was recently impressed by describing an AI a coding problem and what I have got and it says that I am on a good way. I only used AI a dozen times so far and tried different tasks with some good and lesser good results. The AI is cheating on Tic Tac Toe.
But I can see that the development of GenAI is progressing incredibly quickly and I don't want to imagine what it will look like in ten years' time.
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 I don't get my views from advertising promises either, but from editorial texts from renowned publishers and from experience.
Takiro 🎨@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23
AI is just a statistical model, it doesn't learn anything especially not like humans do. It only knows that for a cat statistically there are certain color blotches at certain places for pictures with cats. It has no notion of what makes a cat. Even when an artist learns from another one they put their own self in it that's how different styles come into existence in the first place.
Just for the sake of argument, assuming AI just learns and works exactly like an artist. Using AI is then again just exploiting another artist but on a much bigger scale.
Viktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeLlm models are not learning. They are not real AI.
They are just very cleverly programmed Algorithms (by humans/corporations) to MIX shit they stole against copyright and consent of artists.
And don't come with the:but humans learn...
I totally, 100% CONSENT that a human may look at my art, get inspired or learn from it, even through imitation at first. I do however NOT CONSENT to corporations sucking up data in order to make money of artists work and human lazyness
@v_d_richards @exador23 This is a discussion on an other level. But I totally agree with you!
As a Star Trek TNG Kid i have a strong opinion about AI.
If an AI produces art, the AI would be the artist, not the human "using" it. The AI would deserve the compensation.
Humanity isn't even able to treat all humans like humans.
What if an AI refuses? I can tell you:slavery, that's what.
"You do as i say or you are being deleted."
Humanity is not even close to ready to bring a new self aware species into this world.
And as things go, we never will be😔
I am sorry for my frustrated tone, but as writer and artist i see this shit not only bringing artists out of their lively hood, that was already measly, it also poisons the ability for the average person to feel and understand art and what it refkects of the human soul and essence.
"AI" products lack reflection, innovation, emotion, joy.
I see them and on the surface they might be pleasant to look at, but they feel empty. Like a mockery of empathy and soul.
@v_d_richards @exador23 Yes, this is pandoras box, we opened now.
We can’t go back. I don’t want this either. Just want to discuss to see other opinions and try to find out how far those models are.
AI is getting more and more important in my job. I have to deal with it or quit and do something completely different.
We can’t go back. I don’t want this either. Just want to discuss to see other opinions and try to find out how far those models are.
AI is getting more and more important in my job. I have to deal with it or quit and do something completely different.
I refuse it wherever i can but at a high cost.
A humam artist can never have output in the quantity that AI users have, so we can't compete with the pase and prize. And since people don't care (neither pay) for finesse or hard work, or soul in a picture, we are fucked.
I read that you proframmers are no better off, since Ai made code is so full of error, that it costs more time to fix stuff, when nothing works at the end.
I want AI to do my taxes😭😭, but no. 😭
What i find a curious observation:
In a time in that billionairs and autocrats somehow think THEY worked for their riches and that they DESERVE to be worshippped, it makes totall sense, that ppl are too lazy to learn a skill, utter some prompts into a machine that uses skill of other humans, and celebrate the outcome as their own achievement and have on top no moral doubts using it for monetary gain as well.
It is the same rotten delusion.
Lady ArtemisI know some otherwise seemingly reasonable & intelligent & kind people in my world who blow me off about the exponentially growing harms of AI with, but these AI created YouTube videos are fun, isn’t that worth it?!
Fuck You No. It is never worth tearing people down wholesale and also destroying the Earth and also causing the wealth gap to grow while tricking the poor and desperate for fun.
Fuck No. When did not fucking over everything for a cheap giggle become a bad & dumb idea?!
Juho Mäntysalo
Cypher Jack@exador23 If you didn't want to train Big Data on your data you shouldn't have share them in the first way. I don't want to defend ClosedAI and their copyrights violation but this just show how copyright is broken and only help defend big corporation. Maybe art was meant to be copyleft all along as art is inspiratgion and emotions (robots only have one of the two).
It will happen the same things to uber drivers once uber replace them with bots driving cars trained on people data.
It will happen the same things to uber drivers once uber replace them with bots driving cars trained on people data.
@exador23 To be clear I do not consent to Big Data either and I'm upset in the direction that the web has been moving thanks to advertisement, surveillance capitalism, Web3 blockchains BS and now "AI". I am sad to see what happend to websites, forums, web technologies such as engines and now art. I am more upset about how it benefit a few people in smart suit and with a shitload of Wall Street magic money instead of users and communities rather than the tech itself.
But we can't de-invent these.
But we can't de-invent these.
Kevin Haandrikman@exador23 And to think some people say we should just accept the fact that AI is going to replace real human artists.
I think it is often more about the work and mind behind the art than how amazing it looks.
But who knows, I am not an expert in art or AI.
Mark Gjøl
Amin Girasol@exador23 in panel 3, the robot is also drinking all the artist's water and emitting a giant CO2 fart.
linarphy@exador23
I'm sorry, but copying is not theft ! #FreeCulture
https://kolektiva.media/videos/watch/0223b0f9-d2bf-443c-89b5-82530d4bd708
And yes, AI have a lot of issues (ecological and social mostly), and I'm against them. But I think this is not a good point. I mean, yes, IA content is not #free too, so it's even worse, but it's a side point.
Even if, right now, you get paid if you have the intellectual property, I don't think it's a good idea to defend it.
I'm sorry, but copying is not theft ! #FreeCulture
https://kolektiva.media/videos/watch/0223b0f9-d2bf-443c-89b5-82530d4bd708
And yes, AI have a lot of issues (ecological and social mostly), and I'm against them. But I think this is not a good point. I mean, yes, IA content is not #free too, so it's even worse, but it's a side point.
Even if, right now, you get paid if you have the intellectual property, I don't think it's a good idea to defend it.
Copying Is Not Theft - Official Version - 720p
I have agreed for a long time, being a huge fan of negativland, early hip hop, and myself a musical collage artist who can't even share any of my work for free without it immediately being taken down by copyright bots... but we lost that battle in the 80s & 90s - largely due to the outsized influence of techbros and the DRM they crammed down our throats and enshrined in bad laws.
So it's a matter of ongoing hypocrisy and the two-tier justice system where the rich and corporations can do whatever they want, while ordinary people face drastic consequences for doing the same thing. Huge companies like Disney who have been at the fore of pressuring lawmakers to make copyright more and more oppressive and who go after the slightest infringement* are now using this same appropriation of other people's creative content via AI.
So either AI has to be subject to the same draconian copyright laws, or they need to drastically change those laws.
* I can't even dumpster dive at a huge sign-maker business for vinyl tarps anymore because an unhoused person grabbed a piece of vinyl there a couple years ago and used it for a shelter along a freeway. It was something done for Disney, and an exec saw it and threatened the sign shop with a massive lawsuit for letting their copyrighted material get out via an unprotected dumpster.
Rope 紫@exador23 That's sad but being honest I laughed at this lol
Weyland-Yutani Corporation
Dan Gordillo@exador23 @CorioPsicologia the worst about that is the people using GenAI and saying "look at MY art" (and they believe it).
Dartagnan_C@exador23 it's coming out from the wrong side...
Squiggle@exador23 A nice touch would have been to flip the robo-image. Maybe change the color of the flower.
AI doesn't reproduce originals exactly AFAIK, but it doesn't always alter them significantly either.
AI doesn't reproduce originals exactly AFAIK, but it doesn't always alter them significantly either.