Hippy SteveApr 2, 2025
Tragic Girls #AI comic
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 3, 2025
@exador23 There is some truth in it. But on the other hand, what does the human brain when creating art? Are we not also influenced by all the works of art we have seen in our lives? Could we create art without ever seeing one? 🤔
If you see a few pictures from van Gogh or Joan Miro, you can often attribute other pictures to the corresponding artist because the style remains the same.
Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate “real” art much more, but the AI is learning from input, and the human brain is doing it also, isn’t it? How much from us does really come out of ourselves without other influences?
Show threadGynuxApr 3, 2025
@daniel_reineke @exador23 How do kids draw without any knowledge ? How did cavemen drew ? Human art is based on imagination and experience, period. Knowledge allows refinement of the art, it does not create art. Computers can't do shit without priori human art training.
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 3, 2025
@Gynux @exador23 They have eyes and are seeing other pictures or at least the nature. Isn’t this similar when an AI is learning from photos of a tree, animal or a mountain?
Show threadGynuxApr 3, 2025
@daniel_reineke @exador23 An AI is "learning" because of the programing of a human that has specified what to "look" for to be reproduced. So, the AI is not exactly "learning" from input, it's remixing data from the input that the programmer thought should be valuable.
AI has no will of its own and its images are produced just because of "prompts". It's just a tool that uses a lot of work without consent.
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@Gynux @exador23 But AI can create a picture, just with the prompt “make a picture” and nothing else. Examples (I selected a style, but not the content)
Apr 3, 2025 at 11:10amWeb
Show threadGynuxApr 3, 2025
@daniel_reineke @exador23 Yep ! That's called a random draw (no pun intended). A random draw among all the parameters that constitute the program. It does not make it "creative", otherwise you would have to qualify a lottery as "creative"...
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 3, 2025
@Gynux @exador23 Hmm, interesting point. But wouldn’t real random result just in coloured pixels? Somehow the AI decided to draw a camera, and the camera is black and on a wooden table…
I don’t know, maybe the AI gets through a list of objects and selected this look. Maybe it was selected out of some “learned experiences”.
But when I draw a picture, I cannot say the way is very different from that… 😅
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 3, 2025
@Gynux @exador23 BTW I don’t want to say „AI is real creative or as creative as human“. I just want to collect arguments for and against to find out, how near or far away the AI is from us.
Show thread🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥Apr 3, 2025
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 It "decided" to spit out a camera and a random manga-girl because those are prompts that exist in the training sets it was given. It doesn't "learn". It's not intelligent or a little creature independent of the companies that profit off the program. You are assigning intelligence, creativity, and free will to it because the language around GenAi creates an illusion of life. It's literally a calculator. This is what a toaster would do if it had a randomize option.
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 4, 2025

@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 I think you're really underestimating technology strong. It's like saying that the brain is like a computer chip because it also works with electricity flowing along connections.

For example, you cannot simply remove information once it has been learnt.

Show thread🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥Apr 4, 2025
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 What?
That's nothing like what I said or implied.
I'm talking about GenAi and your view of it. I'm not talking about actual human brains.
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 4, 2025
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 Well, you said „It doesn't learn.“ and „It's literally a calculator.“
But I don’t think so. It is much more than that. AI should not be underestimated.
But anyways, this toot is getting bigger as expected and it is difficult for me to follow all various forked responses and answers and “argumentation chains”. 😅
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. Basically I started this discussion to see the viewing points of others and try to find out, how close AI is to the human brain. Differences and similarities. I am impressed by AI, but I am also afraid. I don’t want AI to come so fast in every corner of my life without me being able to decide.
But often I have no choice and have to deal with it. At least in my professional life.
Show thread🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥Apr 4, 2025
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23 What I'm trying to get at here is that the language used around GenAi is misleading, and it's misleading on purpose. When we keep talking about GenAi in organic terms (even human terms), it creates an illusion that it's much much more than it is, and that it has mystical potential that you (the buyer) couldn't fathom.
You are impressed by the possibilities because of this language hype.
The language hype is deliberate because it's used to sell the product.
Show thread🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥Apr 4, 2025
@daniel_reineke @Gynux @exador23
GenAi is currently a billion dollar industry. And it's that because of the potential. The potential is created in the buyers' mind using specific language.
If I was to come to your office and try to sell you a calculator (it's a really nice calculator, and it also says good morning to you), would you invest in that, or would you rather invest in a mystical box that I promise can eventually do everything AND it says good morning to you with a nice voice?
Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 4, 2025

@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 Ok, I got your point.
But I am not a buyer, I am a developer and also a information security officer. I am kind of “on the other side”. 😄
I was recently impressed by describing an AI a coding problem and what I have got and it says that I am on a good way. I only used AI a dozen times so far and tried different tasks with some good and lesser good results. The AI is cheating on Tic Tac Toe.

But I can see that the development of GenAI is progressing incredibly quickly and I don't want to imagine what it will look like in ten years' time.

Show threadↁᎯﬡ⫯∈𝘭-⟆ᎯﬡApr 4, 2025
@Mimesatwork @Gynux @exador23 I don't get my views from advertising promises either, but from editorial texts from renowned publishers and from experience.