Matt BlazeA reminder that "executive orders" are exactly that - orders from the president for the executive branch. They are not laws, and they do not directly bind anyone not in the executive branch of the US government. They might affect how laws are enforced and other things the executive branch does that affect private individuals, but they are not "orders" that private individuals (or organizations) are required to obey.
sortius@mattblaze the problem with this argument is that the DoJ sits under the executive, so whether they're codified laws or laws by proxy, they're functionally the same
@sortius No. You can not be charged with violating an executive order. That is not a crime. There is nothing for the DoJ to charge you with, unless you're also committing a violation of law.
Stop obeying in advance.
@mattblaze firstly, I'm not American, which I'm grateful for every day I exist.
Secondly, the DoJ has the Marshals Service under their purview, so, yeh, they can. Whether it's legal or not doesn't matter, because they don't actually care.
It's always the white dudes saying "actually technically" when the minorities are like "they'll just kill us anyway"; as I said, it's functionally a law, whether you like it, or not
@sortius you’re the law professor.
@mattblaze you may be a law professor, but this is past norms.
When the Nazis took over a number of law professors argued whether it was real or not.
They all died quite quickly under Hitler's rule.
So, yeh, law professor or not, there is no recourse to stop this. You can argue all you want, but this is a fascist takeover, not the norms that you work with
@mattblaze and I will add, that the general consensus among other law professors is you are wrong.
So some random dude whose posting stuff that doesn't line up with reality, or the law experts who are saying "we are on the precipice".
Who to believe?
@sortius this seems more about you than about me. I wish you luck in your future endeavors.
Marytzu@mattblaze @sortius fwiw I found this to be an interesting discussion. Valid and thought provoking points from both of you.
Gary Houston@sortius @mattblaze this is the executive order that commands the FBI etc., to shoot private individuals who do X or don't do Y. Perhaps private individuals can legally ignore it, and not be prosecuted. I suppose the US hasn't reached that point yet.