@aspensmonster @jonn @vwbusguy @celesteh Perhaps?? Mate socialism is like statistics one works hard but the party has to make the brown nose equal do the hard working man.

But DO explain to me, a person that lived under the regime how great it is for prosperity. Please do. Might tell my relatives as well, oh wait they’re dead because of so much prosperity and so much free speech

@Illdisposed @jonn @celesteh

China's efforts at building a moderately prosperous society in all respects have worked well for them. They've adapted a model of socialism with chinese characteristics that allows some to build wealth faster than others, thus building up their productive forces, while retaining political control within the party. Whether that approach will work long-term is debatable; it's a tightrope that exposes their society to corrosive contradictions and leaves them vulnerable to takeover by a nascent bourgeoisie if they aren't careful.

Even the USSR, our species' first significant attempt at socialism, had its successes along with its failures. They built out an industrialized society to rival the US from the husk of feudalism, perhaps moving away from the NEP too soon if China's theory of developing the productive forces pans out. The shock therapy that was applied when the union fell saw massive declines in standards of living that took decades to recover from.

I live in the belly of the beast of capitalist empire. I live where it is supposed to be a paradise. If capitalism can't work for all here, then it can't work for all anywhere. I'm not aiming for perfection. I'm aiming for better than capitalism. And socialism has proven the most promising approach so far.