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Hey, @vwbusguy , do you mind not putting soviet swastikas in the feeds of people who follow you by re-tooting @celesteh and other folks who are really into spreading hateful ideologies? Thx.
@jonn @vwbusguy @celesteh Soviet swastikas XD If it weren't for the Red Army you'd still be living under the banners of actual swastikas.
@aspensmonster @jonn @vwbusguy @celesteh Clearly you think that symbol means equality. Maybe ask someone that lived under that symbol and will tell you…. If they don’t have PTSD from being afraid to have a normal conversation because of that symbol.
As things goes CPPP and USA aren’t that different they both fucked their citizens up the arse. One used lube. That’s the small difference
@Illdisposed @jonn @vwbusguy @celesteh there are over a billion people "living under" that symbol now. Perhaps they prioritize building a society that guarantees modest prosperity for all over liberal notions of "free speech."

@aspensmonster ah! A tankie! That explains so fucking much. ❤️

What is it with commies and passion for countries with concentration camps.

I upgrade my insulin wish to surviving a trip to one such correctional facility, my man ❤️

@jonn I find re-education a preferable alternative to getting mired in fruitless wars on terror, but to each their own.

@aspensmonster @jonn Do you even know what reeducation meant in the former soviet block countries?

Let me put it in layman’s terms: the book 1984 when we were finally allowed to read it it wasn’t anything special, it was just normal

@aspensmonster @jonn @vwbusguy @celesteh Perhaps?? Mate socialism is like statistics one works hard but the party has to make the brown nose equal do the hard working man.

But DO explain to me, a person that lived under the regime how great it is for prosperity. Please do. Might tell my relatives as well, oh wait they’re dead because of so much prosperity and so much free speech

@Illdisposed @jonn @celesteh

China's efforts at building a moderately prosperous society in all respects have worked well for them. They've adapted a model of socialism with chinese characteristics that allows some to build wealth faster than others, thus building up their productive forces, while retaining political control within the party. Whether that approach will work long-term is debatable; it's a tightrope that exposes their society to corrosive contradictions and leaves them vulnerable to takeover by a nascent bourgeoisie if they aren't careful.

Even the USSR, our species' first significant attempt at socialism, had its successes along with its failures. They built out an industrialized society to rival the US from the husk of feudalism, perhaps moving away from the NEP too soon if China's theory of developing the productive forces pans out. The shock therapy that was applied when the union fell saw massive declines in standards of living that took decades to recover from.

I live in the belly of the beast of capitalist empire. I live where it is supposed to be a paradise. If capitalism can't work for all here, then it can't work for all anywhere. I'm not aiming for perfection. I'm aiming for better than capitalism. And socialism has proven the most promising approach so far.

@aspensmonster @jonn @celesteh I can see you’re living in denial. You’re either ignorant or just very stupid if you ignore what China does to their citizens. Or maybe you’re just a paid up member vomiting idiotic facts when faced with reality. I tend to thing the latter. Also you’re avoiding everything I said because you know you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about when comes to socialism
or comunism because you HAVEN’T lived it you ignorant fucking fuckity fuck

@aspensmonster @jonn @celesteh to summise: You’re an ignorant moron that ignores the historic facts.

There I saved a lot of time for everybody involved

@aspensmonster @jonn @celesteh You’re just a copy paste machine you fuck twat. And yes every time some one punches a nazi they should punch a communist as well.

Just for the social equality you absolut cluster fuck of copy paste machine

@Illdisposed @jonn @celesteh typical US-centrist delusional people, thinking that if they get rid of capitalism and democracy altogether, then milk and honey will flow through their sinks, and everyone will have a job and a house, and we would all be happily chanting odes praising the single-party for all the goodies they supposedly will receive. If someone puts a symbol they don't like, they'll drag the pitchforks and torches on you. How dare you? This is the ultimate form of racism. Fuck freedom of speech because that's a Musk thing, not something all citizens and democratic countries take for granted.

I'm just tired of fighting with them. Just block and defederate where possible.

@aspensmonster@tenforward.social @celesteh@lgbt.io

>ussr built an industcialized society

but am which cost? by using people as slaves, by not having weekends, by putting workers in masses to barracks (only elite had to enjoy fancy (not really fancy) apartments. by not giving passports and freedom of movement to the part of society. by not allowing most of the people to get out of country. by killing extreme amount of people for political reasons.

i wish you lived in ussr, and felt the terror and fear. i am almost 50, i remember only eighties but i remember the constant fear in the air, i remember corruption and poverty, and stories of my parents and grandparents.

90ies were tough, yes but i felt happy during 90ies because eventually we felt free. newspapers were writing whatever they wanted, professors stopped to fear they'd be taken to secret service undergcound floor because of the wrong word.

it isupzosed that 70ies and 80ies were 'vegetarian' mostry but it didnt mean the state didnt kill. one of my celatives, a painter who did the art which was condemned, was brought to kgb, was threatened to, also threatened by what they can do to his family. then the state burned his warkshop with all the work, and then killed him by ordering a big track to make sure he'd be killed.

some were tortured at psychiatric clinics.

my neighbour was beaten to half death by police for bringing a couple of jeans pants from.outside.

the economy didnt work.

you know why we got toilet paper? well we were priveleged to get it, many remote russian cities and towns got to know what is toilet paper only in 90ies.

we got it only because it existed in the west, and it existed there because of some people thinking what to do for peopre to sell?

ussr had lots of things to do, there was only one entity which had to create the pran, the soap used in remote village school was chosen in moscow.

the only investor one could find was the state and it was not inclined to spend on innovations. all innovations, including toilet paper and computing were because it was in the west so ussr was repeating what the west capitalist nociety did.

so back to toilet paper, the engineers didnt even know what is it and how to produce it. so first machines to make toilet paper and then be replicated were bought from united kingdom. that's in 60ies bit till 90ies as i said many didn't get to know what is it.

i wish everyone who has sympathy towards ussr was traveled there by using a time macdine and expecienced first hand.

and surprisingly no socialist is willing to leave usa and go to live in china or north korea.

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